Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

Not sure if this has been posted, I saw it in a twitter thread somebody linked to earlier.

This is what awaits the UK. How people can dismiss this at this point is honestly baffling to me.

I was in favour of taking a more pragmatic approach to balance the economy but not anymore. Unfortunately the public can not be trusted to make the right choice of their own volition.

Me too mate.

Coming from a financial background I've always been succinctly aware of the economical disaster we were facing. I've said from the start that we have been facing 2 crisis's here and is why I was initially generally supportive of the government trying to balance the 2. But when I saw the pictures coming out of the hospitals in Northern Italy I realised I was wrong and I'm not too big to admit it either. Those vids are absolutely horrendous, and the thought of people potentially having to go through that without proper medical care is unthinkable.

Fortunately, I do believe the government have realised that too. Fingers crossed we have the medical infrastructure to keep on top of it.

 

[peteblue]

It was grossly negligent. There should be prosecutions after this. I'm not joking.

You think the CMO and CSA should be prosecuted ?....

 

[Caolam]

It’s not the time for paddling your political agenda, says the bloke who simultaneously calls an article by the political editor of the Sunday Times - left wing. lol
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How do you paddle a political agenda?

 

[DrEFC]

Been thinking about this Pete, could you not do takeouts or is it not allowed ?

I know one of the pubs by my did it before the shutdown.

You bought four pints in one of the special cartons.

They should be allowed to do drive bys like a fast food restaurant during a restricted time (timed like in Scandinavian countries off licenses)

 

[peteblue]

Multifactoral Pete- age of those dead? Age of those infected (overall mortality for all age ranges in 0.7% base on Korea and their extensive screening)? Comorbidities of those affected- likely a more well off bunch of folk- and those in higher socioeconomic classes have better overall health and therefore survival for pretty much every disease. Access to healthcare and escalation as needed (especially as the first groups of infected non-chinese)- deaths in Italy are escalating because the ultimate tier of life support is past saturation. Some of these folk need to be ventilated for 2 weeks plus. IIRC we have 5000 ventilators*. 5000 for 70 mill. Germany has 55,000? Even Italy have more per head than us and you can contrast italy's survival rates v's Germany- massive difference.
*apologies if incorrect data, I'm currently off work.

I‘m sure I saw similar figures regarding the ventilators...

 

[Harryflashman]

You have to have to have the correct containers for the beer, everywhere we look seems to be sold out...if anyone knows anywhere please let me know. I don’t even want this for making any money, it just pains me to see good beer go to waste...

I know from previous conversations you aren’t up north let me have an ask about, if I have any luck I’ll pm

 

[Walken]

how do you paddle a political agenda?

 

[peteblue]

Been thinking about this Pete, could you not do takeouts or is it not allowed ?

I know one of the pubs by my did it before the shutdown.

You bought four pints in one of the special cartons.

It is allowed and our license covers it. It’s getting those damned cartons is the problem. Every time I get in touch it’s sold out, try next week......

 

[Catfish Blues]

I know the Christian communities here seem to be following the self isolation/social distancing guidelines. Does anybody know what the reaction has been in the Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh communities?. Only asking as these tend to be a lot more active religions as regards attending service/prayers etc.

Both our local mosques have closed, and did so at much the same time that C of E, Catholic and Methodist churches did.

 

[Martin Alvito]

This is an interesting stat from that cruise ship, showing about 1% death rate. Now anyone who has been on a cruise (not a Disney one) knows that the average age is about 60-65, and this is within a controlled environment.

Diamond Princess, Cruise Ship
Confirmed: 712
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 325
Active: 379

A big thing happened on that ship that did not happen most places: everyone was tested aggressively and received care right away if ill. What you are looking at in the Diamond Princess numbers is an absolute best case scenario for fatalities.

Elsewhere, only the severely ill are receiving tests and we do not know the true scope of the problem. In places such as Italy, Spain, Iran and China that became overwhelmed, the fatality rate is far higher. Some of that is probably explained by unobserved cases of the disease, and some of that is probably explained by proper acute care simply not being available.

The point of shutting everything down is to slow down the spread of the virus to prevent unnecessary fatalities resulting from the health care system becoming overwhelmed. In the short term that will have a massive economic impact, but the alternative does far more long term damage by wiping out more productive human capital.

 

[peteblue]

I know from previous conversations you aren’t up north let me have an ask about, if I have any luck I’ll pm

Cheers...

 

[DrEFC]

You think the CMO and CSA should be prosecuted ?....

the responsibility can be spread a bit further than that. The CMO comes from an impressive background, albeit, not anything to do with virology or epidemiology- and I'm not sure how long he was a boots on the ground Doctor rather than academic with (I think) vascular focus? Before you point out, yes, I'm also not a virologist ect- I'm O&G with a background in Genetics- but if the flaws were obvious to a non-specialist, and there were lots of vocal specialists as I found out later, frustrated with the approach. They also went against advice from the WHO, and countries already in the grip of the pandemic. Nevermind the Hancock flapping and begging for ventilators last week. The Boris not closing schools/Shake hands with corona virus patients stuff. You'd have to hope EVERY one of them is incompetent, as the alternative doesn't bare thinking about.

 

[peteblue]

A big thing happened on that ship that did not happen most places: everyone was tested aggressively and received care right away if ill. What you are looking at in the Diamond Princess numbers is an absolute best case scenario for fatalities.

Elsewhere, only the severely ill are receiving tests and we do not know the true scope of the problem. In places such as Italy, Spain, Iran and China that became overwhelmed, the fatality rate is far higher. Some of that is probably explained by unobserved cases of the disease, and some of that is probably explained by proper acute care simply not being available.

The point of shutting everything down is to slow down the spread of the virus to prevent unnecessary fatalities resulting from the health care system becoming overwhelmed. In the short term that will have a massive economic impact, but the alternative does far more long term damage by wiping out more productive human capital.

Good points...

 

[xena]

Will i have to pay the extra tax rate to pay for for all these giveaways when things get back to normal.As im self employed and have basically been told go on the dole when work dries up

 

[Barnfred 55]

Nurses spat at and called 'disease spreaders' amid coronavirus crisis

'Nurses are running towards the fire to provide the care the communities need'

metro.co.uk

Racist scum.

I doubt it was because they were nurses that they were abused. It was because they weren't white.

It doesn't make it right but it does explain it. We know these racists are in our society and I'm not surprised the current crisis we are facing doesn't alter their moronic views.

But something about the concept of hating nurses just because they are nurses, given what we are going through at the moment, is just a bit much for my head to take on board at the moment.