Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

So after all the praise the Tories have been getting about financial help, etc, the Chancellor has now hinted that we will all foot the bill with tax rises. Great...

Well tax avoidance schemes were never going to be put back into tax evasion bracket under a Tory Government...

 

[Prevenger17]

Is that a rebuttal or linking someone who has refused to call out a sex predator running for office?

It's just a gif that most accurately conveyed my thoughts when I read your post. I hadn't actually realised that she never called Trump out

 

[Tigger]

My son has just lost his job with an employment agency. He's known for some time his contract was ending about now - nothing to do with coronavirus. So he's just trying to get JSA till he finds another job, although he's having trouble getting through like everyone else. He isn't entitled to UC or housing benefit as he's managed to save a bit over the years and has too much in the bank!
He's understandably a bit rueful as he sees others getting money thrown at them right now.
I'm just letting off steam here but it's worth remembering that many folk slip through the cracks of the system and have to draw on money they've "put away for a rainy day" in the traditional fashion!

At least he was sensible enough to save money for a time like this. Scary how much of the population live beyond their means, putting everything on finance rather than save up and buy it, because they cant afford it there and then. Living paycheck to paycheck maxed out. Times like these show how flawed that is, i dont have a brand new car or all the latest gadgets but everything I own is mine and nobody is going to come looking for them if I can't pay.

 

[Sentinel]

It's just a gif that most accurately conveyed my thoughts when I read your post. I hadn't actually realised that she never called Trump out

NP mate. Or Biden but to her credit, she wasn't to impressed with him either. All I'm trying to argue is that, in this crisis left and right paradigms have become redundant. The viciousness of this virus doesn't choose, your political divide, your race or religion.

We simply can't close our minds to opinions we traditionally have disagreed with. We needed a cross party, bi-partisan, however you want to frame it, conversation to deal with this threat. Over a month ago. It didn't happen.

That's a tragedy for you, me and our families. I get angered when I see political debate sidetracked when, what we all should be talking about is. Whether our front line medical professionals have the equipment they need to face this threat?

That's what matters right now.

 

[gonetomorrow]

At least he was sensible enough to save money for a time like this. Scary how much of the population live beyond their means, putting everything on finance rather than save up and buy it, because they cant afford it there and then. Living paycheck to paycheck maxed out. Times like these show how flawed that is, i dont have a brand new car or all the latest gadgets but everything I own is mine and nobody is going to come looking for them if I can't pay.

Exactly. I've never forgotten that advert back in the 80s for some overpriced frippery or other which encouraged purchase "because you're worth it" in the honeyed voice of the snake oil salesman! It could be a motto for the I Want It Now generation.

 

[Sentinel]

 

[Prevenger17]

NP mate. Or Biden but to her credit, she wasn't to impressed with him either. All I'm trying to argue is that, in this crisis left and right paradigms have become redundant. The viciousness of this virus doesn't choose, your political divide, your race or religion.

We simply can't close our minds to opinions we traditionally have disagreed with. We needed a cross party, bi-partisan, however you want to frame it, conversation to deal with this threat. Over a month ago. It didn't happen.

That's a tragedy for you, me and our families. I get angered when I see political debate sidetracked when, what we all should be talking about. Is whether our front line medical professionals have the equipment they need to face this threat?

That's what matters right now.

Yeah, I agree with that. But your original post was a mishmash of thoughts about Brexit, immigration and social justice warriors, with the most smh Shapiro-ism thrown in for good measure. You probably could have stuck to your own advice there imo

 

[Tubey]

Sorry if this link has been posted before. Really helped lower my anxiety about the whole COVID-19 pandemic:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Explains death rates in China, Italy and Spain - all based upon published evidence and scientific analysis.

I might be missing something but the bias that seems to be on show with that is astonishing - it just seems to be some bloke going around trying to collect as much evidence for a preconceived view as humanly possible, ignoring anything to the contrary.

 

[Prevenger17]

I might be missing something but the bias that seems to be on show with that is astonishing - it just seems to be some bloke going around trying to collect as much evidence for a preconceived view as humanly possible, ignoring anything to the contrary.

Aye, that's what I thought. I'm sure I didn't imagine our full-to-breaking point hospitals, emergency tents and unprecedented surge in cases of death in the last 2 weeks

 

[Sentinel]

Yeah, I agree with that. But your original post was a mishmash of thoughts about Brexit, immigration and social justice warriors, with the most smh Shapiro-ism thrown in for good measure. You probably could have stuck to your own advice there imo

I don't agree with that, if that's what you got out of it without confronting any of the issues I raised. I apologise if I didn't make myself clear.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Disgusting PPE equipment not even available other health issues while hospital.

Coronavirus: Protective gear guidance 'to be updated'

New rules on when health staff should wear masks and gloves are expected amid the Covid-19 crisis.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bring the ghost on]

I believe they just took the step of closing off their borders to all foreigners. Something that in our countries, if you suggested merely only a few months ago. You would be labelled xenophobic, racist or stereotyping.

There is an obvious difference though, isn’t there?

Locking down a country to stop the spread of a virus in a worldwide pandemic is very different to “closing the borders” in more normal times.

If, once this blows over, we still have people demanding to end all immigration, I’ll still reserve the right to call them a right wing looney.

 

[Tubey]

Government to launch Land Army Pick to harvest rotting crops

A UK-wide push is expected to be launched within weeks calling for anyone from students to laid-off hospitality workers to pick fruit and vegetables 'in the national interest'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Perfect coronavirus job for Brexit voters.

Do it for Britain!

 

[ClausThomsen]

Social justice warriors and folks who slandered people with genuine concerns. Looks like individuals, who believed in borders, that governments should protect their citizens first, are being vindicated. Hysterical labeling has caused massive damage.

Closing borders during a pandemic is one thing - restricting any form of travel makes complete sense during a pandemic. Whether that's people flying into the country or people going to the pub.

That doesn't mean that pre-Covid19 (remember those days??) we should have been listening to Tommy Robinson or that bigoted views shouldn't be called out.

Thankfully health care and many other sectors are still being propped up thanks in no little amount to the efforts of immigrants who were already here despite the opinions of some - helping to protect the citizens of this country. That sounds like vindication for immigration to me and a kick in the teeth to the "Kick 'em out, Britain First" brigade.
[/QUOTE]

In fact across the world, borders are being shut. About time. Labeling your political opponents, bigoted, racist, fascist etc...Turns out, it doesn't help democracy, In fact it hinders it and jeopardizes lives.

If a political opponent is bigoted, racist or enamoured with fascism then they should be labelled that. There are overly zealous idiots who throw those tags around but then that is true of a lot of arguments. Being offended by something means you're a snowflake. Believing in equal treatment or helping the poor means you're a communist. Seeking to challenge something that doesn't personally affect you means you're a Social Justice Warrior?

I look forward, when this is all over, to going back to reasoned debate were all opinions are listened to and respected.

Racism, homophobia, sexism or any other form of mindless bigotry should not be respected in any form. And those agitators who are knowingly spouting it to further their political ambitions should neither be listened to or respected.

 

[Sentinel]

Locking down a country to stop the spread of a virus in a worldwide pandemic is very different to “closing the borders” in more normal times.

I've never said anything different. And I'll reiterate a point I made a couple of weeks ago. Both in the UK and US we had politicians who ran on a closing the border ticket.

The one time you want them to close the borders they didn't. Absurd.

The borders should have been closed. Racism, xenophobia is immaterial. The borders should have been closed. And mass testing should have ensued. If this had been done and data collected to get a true picture, we'd never of been in this situation today.

Instead what happened is anyone suggesting that previously was hysterically labelled. That has to stop. It's eroding our democracy.