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[BlueToff]

Disagree with you on this one, you pay what a role requires to attract and retain talent and that principle should be used throughout the organization and across all levels irrespective of whether it is public or private sector.

I understand that.

But when people are happy to scream and shout about it being underfunded, which I believe it is, I also think it's galling that one individual, or a series of individuals, earn that much money, plus bonuses. And I doubt his bonus is £500, Legs.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Disagree with you on this one, you pay what a role requires to attract and retain talent and that principle should be used throughout the organization and across all levels irrespective of whether it is public or private sector.

Indeed. People use it as a bat to beat charity sector CEOs when truth his most could earn a tonne more with their skill set and experience in the private sector.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I understand that.

But when people are happy to scream and shout about it being underfunded, which I believe it is, I also think it's galling that one individual, or a series of individuals, earn that much money, plus bonuses. And I doubt his bonus is £500, Legs.

What is it you think he does?

 

[BlueToff]

Maybe because they do an important job? Why does a chief nurse earn £90k a year? Because they're responsible for an awful lot of nurses, just as a CEO is responsible for all employees.

Agenda for change - pay rates | Health Careers

Band 1 (Please note that following the 2018 pay deal, band 1 closed to new entrants from 1 December 2018). £25,272

www.healthcareers.nhs.uk

There's a huge difference between £90k a year and £250k per year (plus bonuses), isn't there though?

A lot of people were told in the last year and a half that what they loved doing wasn't essential. Or that their job wasn't essential.

I'm saying it's not essential for one CEO in the NHS to be on £250k a year. Because I'd imagine there's quite a few CEOs across the respective parts of it, all on similar amounts.

 

[BlueToff]

Indeed. People use it as a bat to beat charity sector CEOs when truth his most could earn a tonne more with their skill set and experience in the private sector.

Good for them. It's not to say this person is crap at his job or that he's not done well earning that.

It's more that I think it's a pretty galling figure. Like how a nurse being on £23k is a galling figure. Or an ambulance paramedic on less than that is galling.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There's a huge difference between £90k a year and £250k per year (plus bonuses), isn't there though?

A lot of people were told in the last year and a half that what they loved doing wasn't essential. Or that their job wasn't essential.

I'm saying it's not essential for one CEO in the NHS to be on £250k a year. Because I'd imagine there's quite a few CEOs across the respective parts of it, all on similar amounts.

And I'll ask again, what is it you think he does?

 

[BlueToff]

What is it you think he does?

He's the CEO of the organisation that supports and coordinates the NHS trusts, from what I can gather. He's been on the news a lot recently - as he should be, as I imagine is part of his job. I'd imagine a big remit of his job, is to be the face of the organisation that is there to have the interests of the Trusts at heart and lobby their needs.

If you think that's worth £250k a year base, then fine. I think that some of that money could be better spent elsewhere. Like how I think the government could put the money they allow MPs to roll up as expenses to better use, for example.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I understand that.

But when people are happy to scream and shout about it being underfunded, which I believe it is, I also think it's galling that one individual, or a series of individuals, earn that much money, plus bonuses. And I doubt his bonus is £500, Legs.

So because the nursing staff are under compensated you‘d make the senior management too? I know misery loves company but how would that help fix anything other than whether you find it galling?

 

[BlueToff]

And I'll ask again, what is it you think he does?

I've just answered what I think he does.

I've now found out his job role: https://nhsproviders.org/about-us/working-for-us/our-team/chris-hopson

Was I far off?

Chris joined NHS Providers as chief executive in September 2012 after a career in politics, commercial television and the civil service.

Chris leads the organisation, with a particular emphasis on setting strategy, senior stakeholder management, acting as the principal public voice of the organisation and representing the provider sector on a range of NHS system level committees.

 

[BlueToff]

So because the nursing staff are under compensated you‘d make the senior management too? I know misery loves company but how would that help fix anything other than whether you find it galling?

I just think it's an example of a broken system Legs.

 

[coollino]

Ok so who is little Jimmy and who is mushroom? Mario kart?

 

[LinekersLegs]

I just think it's an example of a broken system Legs.

Think there are a lot clearer examples than that salary which, at least to me, seems fairly standard for such a senior role.

 

[BlueToff]

Think there are a lot clearer examples than that salary which, at least to me, seems fairly standard for such a senior role.

Which is, forgive me if my point was muddled, what I'm getting at.

Maybe it's just the way of the world though ey. I'll go back to being a realist instead of thinking senior roles in the public sector should pay that much!

 

[Nymzee]

Which is, forgive me if my point was muddled, what I'm getting at.

Maybe it's just the way of the world though ey. I'll go back to being a realist instead of thinking senior roles in the public sector should pay that much!

What do you think he’s worth?

 

[mill]

Good for them. It's not to say this person is crap at his job or that he's not done well earning that.

It's more that I think it's a pretty galling figure. Like how a nurse being on £23k is a galling figure. Or an ambulance paramedic on less than that is galling.

But if someone has the skill set required and that skill set is worth 250k then why wouldn’t they get paid that?

Are you saying someone should sacrifice what they are worth to work in the public sector?

How on Earth would the public sector attract individuals if they paid less than market?

Also 250k for a CEO is way way way below market.