Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Seanjd]

This notion of if you socialise then you will get it.

What if everyone tests themselves before gathering in mass? Say for example you didn't rely on covid passports but instead on a negative test? That wouldn't spread a virus nobody had at the time?

No, but unfortunately loads wouldn’t and don’t test. Would never work.

 

[grandjoeblue]

This notion of if you socialise then you will get it.

What if everyone tests themselves before gathering in mass? Say for example you didn't rely on covid passports but instead on a negative test? That wouldn't spread a virus nobody had at the time?

I know a guy who tests 3x per week because of company policy. There are something like 10-13 in their business. 1 person tested negative but must have been positive and went in, 4 days later every single person in the business had Omicron. Tests aren't 100% but Omicron basically is.

 

[efcfanwirral]

There isn't a right anymore. There was last year, there was 11 months ago but there isn't a right, now.

What is right? Right is lock down the country again to prevent cases, but then I know I don't have to go into the impact of that.

Then when you open back up, the variant will then spread around like it's doing now as it's more transmissible. So the 'right' wouldn't change a thing other than the aforementioned impact.

So right could then mean tackling it head on. If it means masks and working from home then that is the new right. If you can't avoid it then why not tackle it head on? Theoretically , more people vaccinated catching this , more antibodies they develop naturally, the stronger the population will be.

You can't avoid the inevitable. You can't prevent hospitalisations , you can prepare the hospitals though (they haven't) . You can't prevent cases but you can give people the best chance via vaccine (they are).

At some point this becomes an endless cycle. So I know they haven't done it but would it not be better to be able to tackle the end result rather than try to prevent the one thing you cannot stop?

The answer they'll come up with is we slow it down via lockdown til a variant vaccine becomes available, and hope that stops it in the real world. They did this last year when it spread a lot slower, so I can't see how they'll do anything differently this time. Just waiting for Parliament to be off for christmas I assume

So 2022 = 2021. But then what happens when the next variant hits?

 

[Seanjd]

There isn't a right anymore. There was last year, there was 11 months ago but there isn't a right, now.

What is right? Right is lock down the country again to prevent cases, but then I know I don't have to go into the impact of that.

Then when you open back up, the variant will then spread around like it's doing now as it's more transmissible. So the 'right' wouldn't change a thing other than the aforementioned impact.

So right could then mean tackling it head on. If it means masks and working from home then that is the new right. If you can't avoid it then why not tackle it head on? Theoretically , more people vaccinated catching this , more antibodies they develop naturally, the stronger the population will be.

You can't avoid the inevitable. You can't prevent hospitalisations , you can prepare the hospitals though (they haven't) . You can't prevent cases but you can give people the best chance via vaccine (they are).

At some point this becomes an endless cycle. So I know they haven't done it but would it not be better to be able to tackle the end result rather than try to prevent the one thing you cannot stop?

Why not ‘circuit break’ for a few weeks while this mass roll-out of booster vaccination is being carried out? I think that would be the right thing to do. Allowing the variant to pass through the population via parties and gatherings before any benefits of the booster is irresponsible.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Until hospitals do actually get overwhelmed and people are dying in the streets then the average Joe ain't gonna do anything this government tells them. Just to be clear I was pro original lockdown and I'm also vaccinated.

It was always about hospital capacity and providing treatments, but cases seems to have taken over recently in the narrative for some reason. Cases aren't the important thing. Its the severity of the variant and how it effects hospitalisation numbers and I hope it won't be too bad.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Why not ‘circuit break’ for a few weeks while this mass roll-out of booster vaccination is being carried out? I think that would be the right thing to do. Allowing the variant to pass through the population via parties and gatherings before any benefits of the booster is irresponsible.

The previous circuit breakers last autumn were a nonsense and didn't work. There were tons of cases immediately afterwards.

You need a full long term lockdown to make it work and that would cause more harm than good for society. The young have to be allowed to live their lives after almost 2 years.

 

[Seanjd]

The previous circuit breakers last autumn were a nonsense and didn't work at all

But if you limit gathering then you limit the spread of an incredibly quickly spreading disease. Only for the time it takes to roll out the boosters and allow immunity to take effect.

 

[ToffeeTim]

But if you limit gathering then you limit the spread of an incredibly quickly spreading disease. Only for the time it takes to roll out the boosters and allow immunity to take effect.

The boosters are now being offered to everyone 30+. Why do we need to wait for more boosters? I'm 28 and only got my second 4 months ago and will be due a booster next month probably.

We are in a very good place with vaccinations. The vulnerable should now have got their booster jab. I dont see grounds for a lockdown when we are this protected.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Why not ‘circuit break’ for a few weeks while this mass roll-out of booster vaccination is being carried out? I think that would be the right thing to do. Allowing the variant to pass through the population via parties and gatherings before any benefits of the booster is irresponsible.

Surely the circuit break suggestion is a joke?

It's never worked anywhere?

 

[woomy]

So.
Went out for dinner. There are 4 small restaurants in a little precent. Indian, American, and 2 cafe bar style things.
The Mrs, my son and I were the only ones there.
Really sad.
Speaking to the owner of the Indian. He now has no bookings. Xmas day, he is normally rammed, and booked up months in advance.
Everyone has canceled.
It's been there 20 odd years and is normally a steady trade in the week, and standing room only on weekends.
Not now. Nothing.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why not ‘circuit break’ for a few weeks while this mass roll-out of booster vaccination is being carried out? I think that would be the right thing to do. Allowing the variant to pass through the population via parties and gatherings before any benefits of the booster is irresponsible.

Circuit break won't work anymore.

If everything they say is true about the transmissibility then lockdowns , circuit breakers and the rest will do nothing.

The more transmissible the virus gets, the less that can be done to prevent spread. Sure you can delay it but what happens once the shutdown ends? If you could stop the virus then there would be no more pandemic.

You see what I mean? The only solution is to effectively revisit a 6-7 month slow release of the country and try again in the summer like this year. Even then that may not have the same effect.

 

[Seanjd]

Surely the circuit break suggestion is a joke?

It's never worked anywhere?

Why would it be a joke? I mean limit gathering while boosters are taking effect.

 

[woomy]

Why not ‘circuit break’ for a few weeks while this mass roll-out of booster vaccination is being carried out? I think that would be the right thing to do. Allowing the variant to pass through the population via parties and gatherings before any benefits of the booster is irresponsible.

Because, Boris doesn't want to cancel Xmas.
Not again.
If it comes. It's in the new year. With the inevitable, well we warned you all not to socialise, so now we have to make it official.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If there is a lockdown this year then there will be calls for a lockdown every year because covid is not going away. We cannot lock down a 90% vaccinated adult population, over half of which have been given a booster.

If we cant live normally in these circumstances then I doubt we ever will again.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Why would it be a joke? I mean limit gathering while boosters are taking effect.

The short term lockdowns didn't work. They made zero difference. Once we opened again things went straight back to how they were before.

Only a full long term lockdown would work and hardly anyone would support that. I certainly wouldn't. What is the point of vaccines if you then had a full lockdown.