Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

I was down in London last week and whilst wandering around Covent Garden /Soho area I was shocked to see shop after shop, bar after bar and restaurant after restaurant all shut with signs outside stating due to Covid staff sickness we have been forced to close.

Personally I’m glad mask wearing is now mandatory however it doesn’t go far enough. It should be extended to hospitality. Any measure that helps to keep bars shops and restaurants open is surely a good thing.

It’s just a shame that a lot of people cannot be relied on to exercise common sense, but have to be forced by law to wear a mask.

But to what impact?

You won't have the Xmas trade in pubs round mine, for example, if you can't go in without a mask on, if it has to be table service. And that will hit them hard too.

Bit different with cafes, restaurants, which are obviously table service anyway, but then how can you split the different sectors of hospitality up? Same with nightlife, entertainment (gigs etc).

 

[LinekersLegs]

There is probably an uptick in people getting tested but that positivity rate isn’t ideal

 

[grandjoeblue]

But to what impact?

You won't have the Xmas trade in pubs round mine, for example, if you can't go in without a mask on, if it has to be table service. And that will hit them hard too.

Bit different with cafe's, restaurants, which are obviously table service anyway, but then how can you split the different sectors of hospitality up? Same with nightlife, entertainment (gigs etc).

Very true, masks in hospitality have a huge impact on sales as the experience just isn't as enjoyable and then people choose to meet at homes etc which defeats the point of the measures anyway.

 

[Wizard]

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That is such a small amount of people though in regards to the entire population. The same any virus applies there.

We have never had any of this in place to protect them before , despite the same risks being there.

So realistically the existing point still stands , we are putting measures in place to protect either a very small minority of the population (and therefore should wear masks from now on by law), or we are implementing them when the vast majority of the population , 50 million plus , do not need that level of protection even more.

Because even if they announce its 50% more transmissible , if it only provides mild symptoms and everyone is jabbed up, what difference does that make?

Additionally , wearing a mask in Asda is extremely important but not in a nightclub? I just went to an event recently which had thousands of people under one roof, that is fine to do but not the bus?

It's ridiculous , there is no logic behind it. Which makes it worse because they should have announced measures for the winter on July 19th as common sense preventative. Doing it now based on all the information out there is , well ridicuous.

I doubt clinically ill people that can’t have the vaccine are going to an event with thousands of people. It’s a very simple thing to wear a mask in shops and on public transport to protect people around you.

Just because your situation allows you to do that doesn’t mean everyone else can.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Wow if he chooses two week quarantine over the vaccine

 

[BlueToff]

There is probably an uptick in people getting tested but that positivity rate isn’t ideal

I think with numbers like that Legs it really does suggest that it's down to them doing a lot more tests. are there numbers for that (reliable ones)?

 

[BlueToff]

Wow if he chooses two week quarantine over the vaccine

He's not revealed either way what it is. We can assume he's unvaccinated like but he's still not said. He may well be.

 

[Tipp blue]

Initial signs from South Africa are encouraging but agree way too early to know for sure on either symptoms or vaccine effectiveness.

The media are going to be so disappointed if this worst variant ever turns out to only give mild symptoms.

 

[Wizard]

He's not revealed either way what it is. We can assume he's unvaccinated like but he's still not said. He may well be.

He definitely isn’t. He believes in really weird stuff. There’s a video of him chatting to some guru talking about how your emotions can change the make up of water

Novak Djokovic suggests you can change water's molecular structure with your emotions in bizarre livestream

Tennis great Novak Djokovic has spent his coronavirus quarantine doing what so many people out there are doing — dipping their toes into the content game. Djokovic is currently hosting a web series called \

ftw.usatoday.com

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

But to what impact?

You won't have the Xmas trade in pubs round mine, for example, if you can't go in without a mask on, if it has to be table service. And that will hit them hard too.

Bit different with cafes, restaurants, which are obviously table service anyway, but then how can you split the different sectors of hospitality up? Same with nightlife, entertainment (gigs etc).

It’s difficult I agree. But I’d rather have table service in a pub than suffer the impact of the pub being shut.

As for nightclubs, I don’t think masks would work so you either have to shut them completely or put measures in place to mitigate the risks like reducing capacity, proof of lateral flow tests, proof of vaccination etc

At the end of the day you are never going the eliminate the risk completely you simply need to mitigate the risk as much as possible without having an ultimately disastrous impact on the business itself.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

He's not revealed either way what it is. We can assume he's unvaccinated like but he's still not said. He may well be.

think not, he definitely won't in reality,(he's a weirdo) but he will acquire a proof of vaccine if you know what I mean.

 

[Ghost Rider]

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I doubt clinically ill people that can’t have the vaccine are going to an event with thousands of people. It’s a very simple thing to wear a mask in shops and on public transport to protect people around you.

Just because your situation allows you to do that doesn’t mean everyone else can.

It is , that's not the part I'm questioning. I expected this to come in waaaayyyyy back when the road map was announced. The fact the restrictions are announced aren't really a shock at all, it just defies logic.

But here is the kicker. Another proven piece of information is that covid rates are higher in the 18-25 type of age groups. It's lowest in the older age groups.

What age groups are generally going to nightclubs where you don't have to wear a mask in greater numbers than a supermarket?

That is why it makes absolutely no sense. They know vaccinated are safe and they know what age groups have a higher rate of covid. So these measures are completely the wrong way around. The masks are in the wrong places if the design is to stop spreading.

It's lip service.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I think with numbers like that Legs it really does suggest that it's down to them doing a lot more tests. are there numbers for that (reliable ones)?

That is why I highlighted the high positivity rate, that isn’t affected by testing as such as it more accurately reflects how many have the virus in the community at that time.

10% isn’t the highest I’ve seen by a long chalk (Delhi had an eyepopping over 40% during Delta wave) but is first indication I’ve seen that transmission worries may have some grounding.

As ever it is only one data point though and I’m unclear about how bad Delta wave has been in SA plus a host of other things needed to put it in the right context - overall need to wait for more info.

 

[Wizard]

It is , that's not the part I'm questioning. I expected this to come in waaaayyyyy back when the road map was announced. The fact the restrictions are announced aren't really a shock at all, it just defies logic.

But here is the kicker. Another proven piece of information is that covid rates are higher in the 18-25 type of age groups. It's lowest in the older age groups.

What age groups are generally going to nightclubs where you don't have to wear a mask in greater numbers than a supermarket?

That is why it makes absolutely no sense. They know vaccinated are safe and they know what age groups have a higher rate of covid. So these measures are completely the wrong way around. The masks are in the wrong places if the design is to stop spreading.

It's lip service.

Ok. Say you have a 20 year old that has been out to a club and has been exposed to covid for obvious reasons (proximity to people, less likely to be vaccinated etc).

Next day they wake up and need to go to the shop (next day is a bit silly as they wouldn’t be infectious by then but I hope you get my point). They have made the choice to go out and be somewhere without restrictions, which I am fine with. I do it myself. But when they go into the shop, or get on public transport they are around people that haven’t made that choice. And you don’t know who those people are or what their situation is. So is it that much of a hinderance to your life to simply put a mask on?

 

[BlueToff]

He definitely isn’t. He believes in really weird stuff. There’s a video of him chatting to some guru talking about how your emotions can change the make up of water

Novak Djokovic suggests you can change water's molecular structure with your emotions in bizarre livestream

Tennis great Novak Djokovic has spent his coronavirus quarantine doing what so many people out there are doing — dipping their toes into the content game. Djokovic is currently hosting a web series called \

ftw.usatoday.com

oh yeah I'm well aware of the nonsense he's said, and he's said he's against mandatory vaccinations (hence his disagreement with Australia's policy and I don't actually mind someone sticking up to some of the policies made by premiers in Aus as I think that has gone mad, tbh).

But, we can assume - and I do assume, btw - that he's unvaccinated, but we don't know for sure unless he says, which so far he hasn't. Even if he doesn't go to the Aus Open, it wouldn't definitely mean he isn't vaccinated - he'd probably say he's taking a stand against mandatory ones or whatever.