Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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That’s an extraordinary statistic
It's extraordinary to think that days where we have recently had 200 covid deaths we could have had 3 or 4.

When you really think about the numbers, it is far less deadly than the flu if you have been vaccinated.
 
Dr. Gina Wilson-Ramirez worked in the Providence Alaska Medical Center emergency room Sunday night, hours after the state’s largest hospital declared crisis standards allowing doctors to ration care. Wilson-Ramirez worked as an urban search and rescue worker at the Pentagon after the 9/11 attacks. Twenty years ago, after firefighters extinguished lingering hot spots, she donned a Tyvek suit and a respirator and waded into a macabre slurry of thigh-high water, diesel fuel and charred bodies.

This week, she said, is worse.

“It’s worse because we’re deciding who’s going to die and who’s not,” Wilson-Ramirez said. “That definitely had an impact on my life. But nothing compares to having to ration care when there’s a cure available.” Now people in the state’s medical community say they’re watching a sophisticated hospital system stumble under low staffing levels and a crush of COVID-19 patients spurred by the highly infectious delta variant.

Young pregnant women so sick with the virus they need a ventilator to breathe. People experiencing chest pain, a major heart attack symptom, waiting for hours in the ER. Gravely ill patients dying before they get care — or because someone else with better survival odds was prioritized for treatment.

Alaska is experiencing one of the sharpest surges of COVID-19 in the United States, with more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than at any other time during the pandemic and vaccination rates in the nation’s bottom third. But the state is also uniquely isolated, with a vulnerable health system centered on a few big hospitals that normally transfer patients out to Seattle or Portland, where facilities are now also overwhelmed.
 
No hospital figures reported for today, last Sunday’s late revealed total was 43

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 56 deaths were announced today, down 108 on yesterday and the exact same total as last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average remains the same at 143.29

For the 60 day cut off, 64 deaths were announced today, down 137 on yesterday and down 2 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls very slightly to 166.57
Have you really been doing this everyday since the start of the pandemic?
 
Push comes to shove we should ration care to the vaccinated or the people who are medically unable to get vaccinated.

I realise it's not as simple as that but in the unlikely situation you have two patients with the same condition, presentation and prognosis and the only difference is one patient declined a vaccine that should be the deciding factor in my opinion.
 

So only 1% of the double vaccinated are dying, yet they are reporting higher death numbers than this time last year. With over 80% of the population double jabbed and nearly all the “vulnerable”.

The death rate in the under 30s and those not considered vulnerable is extremely low, so where are these numbers coming from?

If 80% of the population had been sound jabbed, which includes the majority of the vulnerable, leaving approx 20% of which the majority are younger, 1% of double jabbed are dying, where do the deaths come from?
 
So only 1% of the double vaccinated are dying, yet they are reporting higher death numbers than this time last year. With over 80% of the population double jabbed and nearly all the “vulnerable”.

The death rate in the under 30s and those not considered vulnerable is extremely low, so where are these numbers coming from?

If 80% of the population had been sound jabbed, which includes the majority of the vulnerable, leaving approx 20% of which the majority are younger, 1% of double jabbed are dying, where do the deaths come from?
Making them up.
 
Dr. Gina Wilson-Ramirez worked in the Providence Alaska Medical Center emergency room Sunday night, hours after the state’s largest hospital declared crisis standards allowing doctors to ration care. Wilson-Ramirez worked as an urban search and rescue worker at the Pentagon after the 9/11 attacks. Twenty years ago, after firefighters extinguished lingering hot spots, she donned a Tyvek suit and a respirator and waded into a macabre slurry of thigh-high water, diesel fuel and charred bodies.

This week, she said, is worse.

“It’s worse because we’re deciding who’s going to die and who’s not,” Wilson-Ramirez said. “That definitely had an impact on my life. But nothing compares to having to ration care when there’s a cure available.” Now people in the state’s medical community say they’re watching a sophisticated hospital system stumble under low staffing levels and a crush of COVID-19 patients spurred by the highly infectious delta variant.

Young pregnant women so sick with the virus they need a ventilator to breathe. People experiencing chest pain, a major heart attack symptom, waiting for hours in the ER. Gravely ill patients dying before they get care — or because someone else with better survival odds was prioritized for treatment.

Alaska is experiencing one of the sharpest surges of COVID-19 in the United States, with more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than at any other time during the pandemic and vaccination rates in the nation’s bottom third. But the state is also uniquely isolated, with a vulnerable health system centered on a few big hospitals that normally transfer patients out to Seattle or Portland, where facilities are now also overwhelmed.
Meanwhile, Sarah Palin’s dumb ass is out there bragging about being unvaccinated.
 
So only 1% of the double vaccinated are dying, yet they are reporting higher death numbers than this time last year. With over 80% of the population double jabbed and nearly all the “vulnerable”.

The death rate in the under 30s and those not considered vulnerable is extremely low, so where are these numbers coming from?

If 80% of the population had been sound jabbed, which includes the majority of the vulnerable, leaving approx 20% of which the majority are younger, 1% of double jabbed are dying, where do the deaths come from?
As I mentioned later, those figures are slightly misleading because they cover a period Jan to Jul when many elderly, especially at the start, were unable to get vaccinated because of lack of supply. Vaccination reduces the risk of a death of a vaccinated 80 year old to roughly that of a unvaccinated 50 year old - even with vaccination this disease is still taking quite a toll on our elderly who tend to have other health issues.

You can see exactly who is being hospitalized and dying in the biweekly PHE figures and the relative rates per 100,000 people in pages 15, 16, and 17

And as we’ve discussed before “not considered vulnerable” isn’t really accurate with Delta, there are lots of unvaccinated people who thought they were too young to be vulnerable filling hospital beds as Alaka and Idaho‘s collapsing healthcare systems sadly demonstrate.
 
Meanwhile, Sarah Palin’s dumb ass is out there bragging about being unvaccinated.

She has a kid with Down Syndrome who appear to be particularly vulnerable to Covid and she is boasting about being unvaxed :rant:
 
As I mentioned later, those figures are slightly misleading because they cover a period Jan to Jul when many elderly, especially at the start, were unable to get vaccinated because of lack of supply. Vaccination reduces the risk of a death of a vaccinated 80 year old to roughly that of a unvaccinated 50 year old - even with vaccination this disease is still taking quite a toll on our elderly who tend to have other health issues.

You can see exactly who is being hospitalized and dying in the biweekly PHE figures and the relative rates per 100,000 people in pages 15, 16, and 17

And as we’ve discussed before “not considered vulnerable” isn’t really accurate with Delta, there are lots of unvaccinated people who thought they were too young to be vulnerable filling hospital beds as Alaka and Idaho‘s collapsing healthcare systems sadly demonstrate.
It doesn’t actually matter *when* the deaths were. Even if the vaccines weren’t available it still shows how dangerous the virus is if you are unvaccinated (relative to vaccinated).

Otherwise there % would be higher. Vaccinations have been available for longer than they haven’t now.
 
Push comes to shove we should ration care to the vaccinated or the people who are medically unable to get vaccinated.

I realise it's not as simple as that but in the unlikely situation you have two patients with the same condition, presentation and prognosis and the only difference is one patient declined a vaccine that should be the deciding factor in my opinion.

100% agree. I'd go a step further and enforce those people who are medically able to get a vaccine, but who refuse getting the vaccine, that they would need to sign a disclaimer that the Public Health system will refuse care to them should they require hospitalization due to COVID-19.

Why should my taxes pay for the unvaccinated to take up a bed in an ICU when it's precisely those same people who are preventing government restrictions being eased and the rest of our lives' getting back to some kind of normality?
 
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