arminisgod
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Not quite....
It was a yearly review 'are u still getting any pain'... 'no'..... 'OK see yiu in a year'
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It was a yearly review 'are u still getting any pain'... 'no'..... 'OK see yiu in a year'
TFL doesn’t seem to be able to use it
The guidance is any of the symptoms but yes, most people will just go on if it's a combination, I agree.
However, the issue is, so many people get this very mildly that they don't even know.
My brother in law has it and my sister now has it - and they're having to look after their newborn. The only place they've been is the hospital so one or both of them must have caught it in there. My brother in law has aches and pains, my sister had a sore throat and that's been it until today when she's lost her sense of taste. So one symptom each.
Isolating for 10 days is effing stupid and it should not need to be done 18 months into it with the vaccine roll out we've had. There is no need for it to be 10 days. Have it reduced with testing. Two negative PCRs after a period of 5 days, say, gets you out? Is that not more realistic and reasonable?
The thing is, a working testing system for contacts of positive people is absolutely the right way forward. Anybody arguing differently is just doing it because it's a new idea from the government.
The issue is, they literally made it up to try and get Johnson and Sunak out of isolation and that was blatantly obvious.
But as an idea, it's entirely sensible.
People who count as close contacts, have that initial period of isolation but again, base it on PCRs.
So, 24 hours (still crap but as @PhilM said, not as crap) and then perhaps have to then have a follow up PCR if you're negative the next day.
PCRs are meant to be the accurate ones, so have them used in this instance.
If you test positive on the first PCR, then you have to isolate but again, have interval tests through the period of isolation to get you out.
The issue is, they literally made it up to try and get Johnson and Sunak out of isolation and that was blatantly obvious.
But as an idea, it's entirely sensible.
People who count as close contacts, have that initial period of isolation but again, base it on PCRs.
So, 24 hours (still crap but as @PhilM said, not as crap) and then perhaps have to then have a follow up PCR if you're negative the next day.
PCRs are meant to be the accurate ones, so have them used in this instance.
If you test positive on the first PCR, then you have to isolate but again, have interval tests through the period of isolation to get you out.
tbf to @arminisgod I've had to go into the dental part of a hospital lately too.
Came within 1m of one person and that was the assistant who operated the x-ray machine - and obviously everyone in there was fully PPE'd up and I had my mask on and had sanitized.
There was a nurse at the door who asked if I could check in, but she was behind a glass window, and then that was it, didn't see another person other than the assistant - nobody led me in or out, just all directed and done on my own.
Came within 1m of one person and that was the assistant who operated the x-ray machine - and obviously everyone in there was fully PPE'd up and I had my mask on and had sanitized.
There was a nurse at the door who asked if I could check in, but she was behind a glass window, and then that was it, didn't see another person other than the assistant - nobody led me in or out, just all directed and done on my own.
Also, in another defence of @arminisgod , I'm currently seeing someone who is a doctor at LGI and when we went for a coffee a few weeks ago I was surprised she didn't have the app.
So I asked why and she explained all the doctors and nurses at LGI have been told not to have it, as if they did, they'd have to isolate all the time. That's because the app works, just how people actually wanted it to. Unfortunately, the entire idea of contact tracing and isolating in that manner is very flawed and needs to change.
I think @COYBL25 mentioned his wife has done similar?
So, as long as the government are actually going to introduce a different way of that contact tracing - through testing would seem sensible for now - then that's a good thing.
So I asked why and she explained all the doctors and nurses at LGI have been told not to have it, as if they did, they'd have to isolate all the time. That's because the app works, just how people actually wanted it to. Unfortunately, the entire idea of contact tracing and isolating in that manner is very flawed and needs to change.
I think @COYBL25 mentioned his wife has done similar?
So, as long as the government are actually going to introduce a different way of that contact tracing - through testing would seem sensible for now - then that's a good thing.
My Father in law works for Unite and is head of transport for them.
Im scared to even talk to him about it anymore, hes FUMING about it all.
Reading some Emergency Med people I don’t think it is as clear cut as being admitted just as a precaution tbh mate, especially as some of the 20 year olds are pregnant.
And “not admitted first wave” doesn’t mean that was appropriate care given the person‘s symptoms anymore than having nurses dealing with more than double their usual patients was.
Shouldn’t the question be how has the NHS been run down so much and the cases allowed to escalate somhigh that these difficult decisions have to be taken.
grandjoeblue
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Will be interesting to see mask numbers tomorrow.
Went to a few places yesterday and maskless must be approaching 20% of people anyway. I'd guess that maybe 30% of people will continue to wear a mask.
Went to a few places yesterday and maskless must be approaching 20% of people anyway. I'd guess that maybe 30% of people will continue to wear a mask.
Oh sorry Legs, yes absolutely - each case is different, I readily accept that.
However, I do think there will be plenty of people now who are being taken in who are ill, obviously but, if it was say, April 2020, they'd never have been prioritised, or even January of this year.
There will be exceptions though. Also agree that just if they weren't admitted in the first wave doesn't mean they shouldn't have been, but outside of care homes and hospitals, I don't think anybody who very sadly died of COVID was exactly dropping dead at home. If they didn't get admitted, they might have been ill, really ill, but they made it through without life support.
Cases really aren't important now with the vaccination but hospitalisations are a worry and I agree with you there. The issue with the NHS comes from decades of poor decisions on how to fund it from successive governments of both parties.
Such a preventable tragedy
Deckard2049
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It will drift over time. I wouldn’t expect to see a large drop off tomorrow. People are mostly used to them and it’s a habit now.
In a non sexist way (so don’t come at me @LinekersLegs ) a lot of my female friends say masks give them an excuse not to have to wear make up when they just want to run some basic errands so they’re happy to carry on wearing them. Especially if it keeps the pervs away. That’s just one example of people being happy to carry on wearing them. Even if it’s not exactly for health related reasons!
I wouldn’t expect masks to be really gone until next year.
"An unvaccinated 70-year-old might be 32 times more likely to die of COVID than an unvaccinated 35-year-old...
...However, the 20-fold decrease in risk afforded by the vaccine isn’t enough to offset the 32-fold increase in underlying risk of death of an 70-year-old over a 35-year-old. Given the same risk of infection, we would still expect to see more double-vaccinated 70-year-olds die from COVID than unvaccinated 35-year-olds."
Most COVID deaths in England now are in the vaccinated – here’s why that shouldn’t alarm you
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