Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I'd be happier with America blowing its trumpet if they weren't a) sitting on a [Poor language removed] load of doses of the AZ vaccine that they will never use, while India, Brazil et al are going to hell in a handcart, and b) continuing to ban the export of vital materials required to actually manufacture more vaccines. Biden has done well in helping America, but in terms of helping the rest of the world...
Overall been very disappointed about the lack of cross country help. Even if ignore basic humanitarian issues a raging outbreak anywhere is not good for anyone.

View: https://twitter.com/d_jaishankar/status/1385577997919469569?s=21
 
Just the way the world is.

If we sent half our vaccines to the third world, and as a result we had 14m vaccinated instead of 33m and got absolutely hammered by a third wave as a result, people would be complaining the other way.
 
It was just a joke mate...we still have a good percentage of the population that require the jab, but I believe we are set up nicely in the U.K. now. We just keep our eye on the numbers, but every jab is one less person who can spread it and one less person that might have gone into hospital.....We took it very seriously in our area, as did all of our friends, but by the time the pubs open the insides our inoculation numbers, which are already outstanding, will be improved by another ten million, and it will drive the chances of catching Covid even lower.....
I;m not buying into the vaccines being a release from this virus. That's for the birds. It'll be back and it'll be as bad as ever.
 
I;m not buying into the vaccines being a release from this virus. That's for the birds. It'll be back and it'll be as bad as ever.
But every single piece of data shows that the vaccines stop deaths and stop hospital admissions, across the board.

How will it come back?

And don't give me the variant bull, all they have done is chat variants, screw them.
 
Overall been very disappointed about the lack of cross country help. Even if ignore basic humanitarian issues a raging outbreak anywhere is not good for anyone.

View: https://twitter.com/d_jaishankar/status/1385577997919469569?s=21


Not great is it?

Just the way the world is.

If we sent half our vaccines to the third world, and as a result we had 14m vaccinated instead of 33m and got absolutely hammered by a third wave as a result, people would be complaining the other way.

That's not the case with America though. They're sat on about 30 million doses of the AZ vaccine that will never be used. They're also banning the export of vital raw materials that would actually help other countries make vaccines themselves. That the company who are supposedly the cheerleader of free trade is doing this is another matter.
 
But every single piece of data shows that the vaccines stop deaths and stop hospital admissions, across the board.

How will it come back?

And don't give me the variant bull, all they have done is chat variants, screw them.

Risks to herd immunity​

Herd immunity requires that enough people be simultaneously immune to SARS-CoV-2 to prevent widespread ongoing transmission. While data indicate that the most likely scenario is to reach this state on the timelines described above, five risks could delay progress.

First, vaccine adoption may prove lower than expected. That could happen if a real or perceived safety issue increases hesitancy or if younger populations see little reason to be vaccinated once older cohorts are protected and a transition toward normalcy is well underway. Second, herd immunity relies on the efficacy of vaccines at reducing transmission (rather than the usually reported efficacy at preventing disease in the vaccinated person). While initial data suggest that COVID-19 vaccines do block significant transmission,25 the efficacy rate may not prove high enough to drive herd immunity. Third, the duration of vaccine-mediated immunity may prove shorter than anticipated, making it hard to reach the necessary threshold for simultaneous immunity. Fourth, supply-chain disruptions and delays are real, and could produce supply shocks and interfere with timelines. Fifth, and most concerning, variants that reduce the efficacy of vaccines or the benefits of natural immunity may spread widely. Some initial data offer concerning evidence that B.1.351 and P.1 may be examples of such variants, although recent Novavax data (with a small sample size) offer some reassurance that its vaccine is effective against severe disease caused by B1.351.26 Similarly, limited data from the Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca vaccines show evidence of some protection against P.1.27

 

Risks to herd immunity​

Herd immunity requires that enough people be simultaneously immune to SARS-CoV-2 to prevent widespread ongoing transmission. While data indicate that the most likely scenario is to reach this state on the timelines described above, five risks could delay progress.

First, vaccine adoption may prove lower than expected. That could happen if a real or perceived safety issue increases hesitancy or if younger populations see little reason to be vaccinated once older cohorts are protected and a transition toward normalcy is well underway. Second, herd immunity relies on the efficacy of vaccines at reducing transmission (rather than the usually reported efficacy at preventing disease in the vaccinated person). While initial data suggest that COVID-19 vaccines do block significant transmission,25 the efficacy rate may not prove high enough to drive herd immunity. Third, the duration of vaccine-mediated immunity may prove shorter than anticipated, making it hard to reach the necessary threshold for simultaneous immunity. Fourth, supply-chain disruptions and delays are real, and could produce supply shocks and interfere with timelines. Fifth, and most concerning, variants that reduce the efficacy of vaccines or the benefits of natural immunity may spread widely. Some initial data offer concerning evidence that B.1.351 and P.1 may be examples of such variants, although recent Novavax data (with a small sample size) offer some reassurance that its vaccine is effective against severe disease caused by B1.351.26 Similarly, limited data from the Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca vaccines show evidence of some protection against P.1.27


I never mentioned herd immunity.

Vaccines Dave, that's what is winning us this war.
 
I;m not buying into the vaccines being a release from this virus. That's for the birds. It'll be back and it'll be as bad as ever.

What you really mean, is you want the state to continue to have as much control of our lives as possible and we should all live in some quasi state controlled society.

All in all you’ve had a bad week really. The AZ gnats piss, disaster vaccine, has got the virus on the run in the U.K. and Brands has got himself a nice new, shiny three year contract.

Put the Morning Star away comrade, it’s over.
 
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