Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Cases of apparent secondary immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) after SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccination with both the Pfizer and Moderna versions have been reported and reached public attention. Public alarm was heightened following the death of the first identified patient from an intracranial hemorrhage, which was reported on the Internet, then in USA Today1 and then in The New York Times.2 Described below, we have collected a series of cases of very low platelet counts occurring within 2 weeks of vaccination in order to enhance our understanding of the possible relationship, if any, between SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccination and development of ITP with implications for surveillance and management.

 
Thrombosis experts have reacted furiously to the government’s decision to again stop using the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine because of a possible risk of developing blood clots, saying they have not been consulted. The decision, they argue, has been taken on the basis of incomplete information and without any input from experts in the disease. ‘If you ignore the experts, you are verging on arrogance,’ professor Hugo ten Cate told the Volkskrant. ‘I am becoming increasingly angry about how this has happened.’ ‘All my colleagues are baffled,’ thrombosis expert Saskia Middeldorp told broadcaster NOS. ‘It is as if the people who decide this don’t realize the implications for our vaccination programme.’



The health ministry said on Friday it is again suspending use of the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine following reports of serious thrombosis-related side effects pending a further review. The decision led the 25 regional health boards to say they would stop administering the vaccine altogether to stop wastage. Only 700 appointments have been planned in for the over-60s in the coming days, split between the 70 to 80 vaccination locations. The news is yet another blow for the Netherlands vaccination strategy, which only started in January and has been beset by problems since then. Side effects The decision to again halt the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine follows a report by side effects monitoring group Lareb on Friday, which said that one Dutch woman has died after being given the jab although no link has yet been shown with her symptoms. In total, Lareb has had five reports of thrombosis seven to 10 days after the AstraZeneca injection, all involving women aged 25 to 65.



Some 400,000 people were given the AstraZeneca vaccine during the period the problems were reported. Similar reports have been made elsewhere in Europe, and European scientists suggest the vaccine could result in a severe reaction by the immune system.The decision to stop using the vaccine must be a political one, specialist Frits Rosendaal told the VK. Vascular medicine specialist Pieter Willem Kamphuisen said the move had been based on emotion, rather than science. ‘It is such a complex picture,’ he said. ‘You need experts to be able to judge what has happened. You first have to analyse the information and then draw conclusions.’ The European Medicines Agency is due to give its position on Wednesday. ‘And if it gives the green light, how are doctors going to explain that the vaccine is safe after all?’ Kamphuisen said. The Netherlands also stopped using the vaccine for a period last month when there were earlier concerns about thrombosis, but started using it again when the European Medicines Agency said the vaccine is both safe and effective.
Fake news. All of it.
The EU is run by highly intelligent, fine upstanding people who only have the best interests of their citizens at heart.
This is not possible. Davek & Bruce have told us its not possible. So there you have it.
 
Cases of apparent secondary immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) after SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccination with both the Pfizer and Moderna versions have been reported and reached public attention. Public alarm was heightened following the death of the first identified patient from an intracranial hemorrhage, which was reported on the Internet, then in USA Today1 and then in The New York Times.2 Described below, we have collected a series of cases of very low platelet counts occurring within 2 weeks of vaccination in order to enhance our understanding of the possible relationship, if any, between SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccination and development of ITP with implications for surveillance and management.

This reaction should have been spotted in the trials.

Maybe they were and the decision was made that you have to push on?

It's such an enormous situation that decisions will have been made that would never have been countenanced in normal times.
 
I'm not really sure why they are pushing the testing so much moving forward. Surely if the majority are vaccinated testing has limited benefits?
 
This reaction should have been spotted in the trials.

Maybe they were and the decision was made that you have to push on?

It's such an enormous situation that decisions will have been made that would never have been countenanced in normal times.
Trials of tens of thousands can often miss one in a million (and rarer) occurrences.
Also, with things this rare, it is highly likely that it is not the vaccine that is the cause.
 
You think they sent a 'formal letter'?
Is that the best they can do? Yes it is. Because the contracts the EU have signed and have are hardly worth the paper they are written on.
The contracts they have are based on 'Best Endeavours' which mean no guaranteed supply at all. Thats what the EU agreed and signed with AZ.
If not (and the answer Bruce is desperately trying to avoid admitting) is that yet again, the great and the good of the almighty EU cocked up
and they would have gone legal on AZ in an instant without a shadow of a doubt if they could. But they can't.
Yes, I think they've sent a letter.
I don't know if it's the best they can do (you apparently do though).
'gone legal' isn't the first action in contract resolution, it normally follows informal remedies and discussion.
 
I'm not really sure why they are pushing the testing so much moving forward. Surely if the majority are vaccinated testing has limited benefits?

Part of the plan I guess. Now they are focusing on 2nd doses, plus some lifting of restrictions, making mass testing available will hopefully stamp on a flare up. Assuming folk bother that is. Not convinced a lot will.
 
Part of the plan I guess. Now they are focusing on 2nd doses, plus some lifting of restrictions, making mass testing available will hopefully stamp on a flare up. Assuming folk bother that is. Not convinced a lot will.

I get that testing is useful but positive % gives you an idea of general spread and we're already doing over 1m tests a day. I just feel that the money could be better spent on the NHS.
 
The Spanish said they could go. Now they'll have to worry if Germany will let them return home.
Stupid holiday obsessed people, do you think Merkel could stop them from leaving?
Stop them from leaving? You don’t think a UK style £5000 fine would work on Germans?
 
The Spanish said they could go. Now they'll have to worry if Germany will let them return home.
Stupid holiday obsessed people, do you think Merkel could stop them from leaving?
In all fairness, it has to be asked why they took Mallorca off the high risk list. It was a foreign office decision but the buck stops with her.
 
Trials of tens of thousands can often miss one in a million (and rarer) occurrences.
Also, with things this rare, it is highly likely that it is not the vaccine that is the cause.
The embolisms will be rare, but evidence of the low blood platelets will be more common.
 
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