Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Inflammatory language aside, you seem to have missed the point.

It would be perfectly acceptable to open restaurants, alongside public health measures and with a workable track and trace once the rate is sufficiently low.

As we don't have that, the issue becomes A (let rip) vs B (stop making profit from death).

Yes indoor dining is problematic, as is any interaction indoors for a prolonged period, which is why I agree with you about outdoor dining. The problem becomes what to do with restaurants that will struggle without indoor dining and it's unfair to demonize those people as 'anti public health' and put them against the rest of the population when they have legitimate concerns and worries (and have been put in that position largely by forces outside of their control).

Blanket disregard of one camp makes it easier to rationalise completely disregarding the concerns of the other.
I'm not demonising them, I'm simply stating that if they cant trade outdoors then they shouldn't be allowed to trade at all. How can anyone disagree with that, unless you believe even one life taken from indoor dining is worth restauranteurs and their employees making money (and their employees are covered for a lot of their lost earnings through furlough cash anyway).

I think people have taken leave of their senses if they cant see that human life is worth more than some people making cash off others stuffing their stupid 'kin faces in the teeth of a pandemic.
 
I dont care how hard it is. If it's been proven to be a key transmitter of a deadly virus then it shoulkd be mived outdoors or remain shut.

Health over wealth.

Health and wealth are unfortunately linked. The poorest countries in the world have the worst life expectancy.

The longer we stay locked down the more people pushed into poverty and the worse their life gets.
 
I think the UK got this pandemic wrong worse than any other remotely equivalent country in the world. Truly horrific incompetency.

... except for the vaccine acquisition and rollout, which they absolutely nailed in every single way. Not just the NHS, but unfortunately Hancock et al got the vaccines right from the start.

I say unfortunately because, yes, it acts as a shield to them to hide the incompetence, but it is what it is.

The EU got the pandemic response marginally better than the UK overall, but calamitously worse in regards to vaccines.
I think we had to go all in on the vaccines because of the mismanagement elsewhere.

I think that the vaccines are the best route out simply because it is all down to science. We can't rely on the behaviour of the public because there are too many f**kwits.
 
Exactly. To add to this, it's also worth noting that furlough still costs businesses money as they are still required to pay national insurance contributions for each employee every month. Add that to the cost of rent, insurance and countless other overheads, and you soon see why they're in such a precarious position.

It's true that interruption loans are easy to come by, but it's vital to remember that they are loans, not grants - if a small restaurant has had to take on £100,000 of debt to stay afloat over the past 12 months, that's £100k less they can spend on wage increases, new members of staff, new premises etc. The whole sector is clinging to life - too much longer and it's game over.

And holiday pay.....
 
I'm not demonising them, I'm simply stating that if they cant trade outdoors then they shouldn't be allowed to trade at all. How can anyone disagree with that, unless you believe even one life taken from indoor dining is worth restauranteurs and their employees making money (and their employees are covered for a lot of their lost earnings through furlough cash anyway).

I think people have taken leave of their senses if they cant see that human life is worth more than some people making cash off others stuffing their stupid 'kin faces in the teeth of a pandemic.
How many strawmen have been lost to this pandemic?
 
Indoor dining at restaurants have been proven to be one of the key activities in transmission of the last deadly surge into winter.

We just cant repeat that because restauranteurs want to profit. That is a sociopathic.

I know you keep writing this Dave, and I would never suggest that there maybe any misrepresentation, but I don’t ever remember seeing any proof of this claim or of the other one of pubs.....
 
Are you sure about that? I mean, you’ve said what you’ve said at the end there, and talked about “the general EU populace”, and yet at no point have you mentioned the individual countries.

They are the ones responsible for the rollout, for healthcare (and had the EU not intervened, they’d be responsible for procuring the vaccine as well), in short for getting jabs in people’s arms - not the EU.

However the debate from almost every one is framed as “the EU is to blame”. Why, when the only thing they are responsible for is signing these deals?
I believe that the EU operates a centralized Vaccine and procurement system, (European Commission’s strategy of joint vaccine procurement). All 27 nations signed up to this agreement. Its role is to procure and distribute vaccines to EU countries. It was also the role of the EU as a centralized body to conduct the contract negotiations with the vaccine manufacturers and provide the overall medical safety screening via the EMA.

Whilst the UK and US forged ahead signing contracts with the likes of AZ, Pfizer/Biontech and secured their supplies, the EU stumbled over their own bureaucratic mess as this new centralized procurement agency needed each country to review and sign the respective contracts with the manufacturers. The other stumbling block was price per vaccine. The EU made this their primary focus and it only served to delay the signing of contracts with AZ and Pfizer. So the EU finally signed their vaccine contracts 4 months after the UK and US. To cap it all off the contacts they did sign were flaky, and did not provide enough governance around deliverables.

The EU were late to the party and this resulted in procurement issues which then become distribution problems, which ultimately means that member states are not getting enough vaccines.

The other thing that the EU are responsible for is the amount and level of contradictory stories that keep emerging out of Berlin. AZ is is safe? is it not? Who knows? This communication management is also playing a part in many people across EU member states not taking up their vaccine slots. The EU has mishandled this key element of the vaccine rollout. We now have the EMA saying its safe and Berlin saying hold on its not that safe.

We also now see different member states going their own way and securing deals with manufactures themselves (Austria, France, Germany, Hungary, Croatia). So it all looks a bit of a mess right now.

Yes each individual state is responsible for putting needles into their peoples arms, but the EU as a centralized governing body is also responsible.
 
I think we had to go all in on the vaccines because of the mismanagement elsewhere.

I think that the vaccines are the best route out simply because it is all down to science. We can't rely on the behaviour of the public because there are too many f**kwits.

They lumped on the vaccines this time last year, tbf.

It was subsequently that they continued to cock things up.
 
Can't wait to happily stand in one with a pint.
And I'm not a smoker!

I’ve already booked a table for a lunch of muck and a couple of pints of swill on 12th April for me and the missus.

I’ve also taken precautionary social distancing security measures, if one of the murdering, minimum wage proles, who will be serving should come too near.

I’ve varnished and set hard a rolled up copy of the Morning Star, driving six inch nails through one end, turning it into a lethal, socialist weapon.
 
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