Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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NilSatisOptimum said:
Many countries are more hesitant with vaccines and medical model in general.

Let's face it many countries were in a much better position to deal with this pandemic than us.

From general health to having appropriate health care system to manage.

They are simply not in our shoes and their experience is different to ours, and will make different choices as they have always done.
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Cases are on the rise across Europe and they were cautious regarding the data. The WHO, EMA have given no cause for concern, the data gives no cause for concern great enough to suspend the use.
 
Jebus_lives said:
Cases are on the rise across Europe and they were cautious regarding the data. The WHO, EMA have given no cause for concern, the data gives no cause for concern great enough to suspend the use.
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WHO and others the rest will peddle out "evolving science'' as and when. Good recent example was the face mask debacle, joke that was.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Have had a good chuckle to myself over this vaccine malarkey, always going to come back nip Government on the ass, playing nationalism and politics with science. EU says fine individual countries say nah, as do others out of Europe. World Health Organisation basically finds cushion and sits on the fence as science led evidence often does. Left sack boy Hancock to the media, while the others scarper for the bunker.
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What the hell are you on about?

If you just look at it objectively, the UK is doing extremely well with its vaccine roll out. There's been hardly any (relatively speaking) reports of any serious side-effects whether people are using Pfizer or AZ, and they've got it to a lot of people very quickly.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Many countries are more hesitant with vaccines and medical model in general.

Let's face it many countries were in a much better position to deal with this pandemic than us.

From general health to having appropriate health care system to manage.

They are simply not in our shoes and their experience is different to ours, and will make different choices as they have always done.
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Pretty sure Italy's death rate is as bad as ours and in northern Italy and Spain they had people lying on hospital floors this time last year.

Italy are about to go into another lockdown and there's pressure for similar in France and Germany.

Yes they will make different choices, that's fine. What @Jebus_lives is doing is fairly pointing out that, given the nature of the concerns, the threshold for stopping the AZ roll out seems ludicrously low at a point when several European countries are facing issues with uptake, for whatever reason.

Nowt to do with the EU or anything this - it's up to individual countries at the end of the day. Just seems it's been overly cautious at a time some of them really can't afford to be.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
WHO and others the rest will peddle out "evolving science'' as and when. Good recent example was the face mask debacle, joke that was.
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But there is a much larger evidence sample that those countries can use, but are not.

It's not evolving science when there is a evidence pool of 17m that you ignore, while relying on 1.6m as your sample.
 
Jebus_lives said:
But there is a much larger evidence sample that those countries can use, but are not.

It's not evolving science when there is a evidence pool of 17m that you ignore, while relying on 1.6m as your sample.
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Oh wont it now be "evolving science"... They will if and when the, and heard it from every scientist qualified to talk about it on TV and radio in the last days, everyone of them spoke with a caveat as they will with every vaccine...

So internet person I'm more inclined to believe them.

Its most likely "safe" it what "they define as safe", and where it fits on the "scale of safe" compared to others, well we will find out in time.
 
Fantastic news about Iceland, would have been there on Monday, now the rules are changing tomorrow and anyone vaccinated can visit, but paperwork is needed such as a certificate of vaccination or a WHO “Yellow Card”.

Come payday, I’m going to see what dates are available, maybe in September so I can see the Northern Lights.

Was so gutting to rearrange and then cancel the trip, especially having people say to me they’ve been there while it’s all doubtful for myself.

Still, fantastic news to wake up to and it’s given me a lot more optimism about the summer and of course the U.K. having a fantastic summer also. Almost makes up for the Foals gig being cancelled :).
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Oh wont it now be "evolving science"... They will if and when the, and heard it from every scientist qualified to talk about it on TV and radio in the last days, everyone of them spoke with a caveat as they will with every vaccine...

So internet person I'm more inclined to believe them.

Its most likely "safe" it what "they define as safe", and where it fits on the "scale of safe" compared to others, well we will find out in time.
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I found parts of that hard to understand, but I've responded to what I think you're saying:

Scientists will caveat, opinion saying that we cannot know yet if the vaccine causes blood clots, that still needs to be established.

But, the data is there regarding rates. It's just being ignored.
 
Jebus_lives said:
I found parts of that hard to understand, but I've responded to what I think you're saying:

Scientists will caveat, opinion saying that we cannot know yet if the vaccine causes blood clots, that still needs to be established.

But, the data is there regarding rates. It's just being ignored.
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Data data does not compute with perception, welcome to the human race.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Many countries are more hesitant with vaccines and medical model in general.

Let's face it many countries were in a much better position to deal with this pandemic than us.

From general health to having appropriate health care system to manage.

They are simply not in our shoes and their experience is different to ours, and will make different choices as they have always done.
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Yes Merkel's problems are mounting with this latest episode.

There was fury in Berlin after Germany on Monday when they joined the pause brigade. Her closest ally, the Bavarian regional leader Markus Söder, made his feelings clear, telling German television he was ready to take the vaccine “immediately”.

Her main coalition partners, the left of centre Social Democrats (SPD) publicly condemned the decision as a “U-turn” that suggested the government has “no clear policy”. Germany, France and the Netherlands all said the vaccine was safe last week before later suspending the jabs.

One senior SPD politician went further, describing the move as a “disaster” and calling on the health minister, Jens Spahn, to resign.

Germany’s national disease centre warned that the country is now in a third wave and facing an exponential rise in cases that could see it break previous records by Easter.

Ahead of the Federal election later this year, Merkel's party now stands at its lowest level of support for about a year. More Germans are disillusioned with the sluggish vaccination roll out program blaming Merkel's party for being far too reliant on the EU's procurement program. This latest fiasco has just exacerbated it as her plans for her chosen successor look to be in serious trouble.
 
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