Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Why will we?
The vaccine is proven to stop most hospitalisations.
It hasn't "proven" to do any such thing yet. Trials and mass real world time experience are not the same. We'll have to wait on that until next autumn and winter when the hammer will be right down again on this seasonal virus.

We have new variants that could cut right through the efficacy of these current vaccines also.

The vaccines are not the answer, they are an aid. Behavioural changes adopted for the long term like social distancing and face masks, and the reorganisation of the economy (and especially the hospitality sector are the main ways we suppress the virus, not the vaccines).

Government ministers talking about hosting the Euros is criminal.
 
I think the only way the Euros should go ahead is without fans and in one country. Unfair to let fans from the host country attend (if allowed in that country) and absolute madness to encourage 100,000s of fans from all over Europe into a few cities for a month. Way too many people across the continent won't be vaccinated by then, especially among the average age group of people travelling to tournaments abroad.

Oh yeah, it has to be with a limited capacity.

Just from a totally logistical standpoint, each team has to have a training facility. France and Germany aren't showing any appetite for it. Spain doesn't have 24 that are up to standard – Portugal couldn't house 24 teams. The UK does. It also has 12 venues that are more than big enough.

As for fans, I think by June there will be able to be limited capacity. It's an international tournament - this sounds daft, but in very few instances do the fans actually have that much of an impact at a tournament, because it's never like it's half-and-half fans of one team or the other. The majority, in most cases, are neutrals.

If it's 10,000 at Wembley or Old Trafford, all having to return a negative test etc, then I guess that has to be the way to do it. And you also just have to limit the balot to local areas for each ground.

It has to be tried somehow. The Euros is as good a chance as any.

But from a logistical standpoint, the UK is genuinely the most sensible place to host the competition this year.
 
It hasn't "proven" to do any such thing yet. Trials and mass real world time experience are not the same. We'll have to wait on that until next autumn and winter when the hammer will be right down again on this seasonal virus.

We have new variants that could cut right through the efficacy of these current vaccines also.

The vaccines are not the answer, they are an aid. Behavioural changes adopted for the long term like social distancing and face masks, and the reorganisation of the economy (and especially the hospitality sector are the main ways we suppress the virus, not the vaccines).

Government ministers talking about hosting the Euros is criminal.
I can't be arsed with your first points. Not going over the same ground.

On the bold part, in terms of just hosting the tournament, it makes total sense and is the only feasible solution to get the tournament on.

All 24 teams would have their own bubble at the training grounds (the majority of which have their own sleeping facilities, btw).

The groups would be based at grounds near to the training grounds, so limited travel for the teams.

They'd all have to come here at least a week before the tournament anyway, so probably just tweak that to 10 days to include for some days of isolation.

Putting fans aside for one minute, it is absolutely fine for the UK to host the tournament this year in terms of just having a place to play the games. And it's the only solution that makes sense.

If fans can go, then you just have very limited capacity in these massive stadiums, restrict the ballots to the city areas (like the Everton and Liverpool games before Xmas), and everyone who goes has to have that negative covid test 24 hours before, and probably masks will have to be a thing even when sat down.

Middle of summer and the entire adult population will hopefully have had their first jab by the time the tournament starts.
 
It hasn't "proven" to do any such thing yet. Trials and mass real world time experience are not the same. We'll have to wait on that until next autumn and winter when the hammer will be right down again on this seasonal virus.

We have new variants that could cut right through the efficacy of these current vaccines also.

The vaccines are not the answer, they are an aid. Behavioural changes adopted for the long term like social distancing and face masks, and the reorganisation of the economy (and especially the hospitality sector are the main ways we suppress the virus, not the vaccines).

Government ministers talking about hosting the Euros is criminal.
There are plenty of reports and studies from scientists in Israel that it’s working. They have even announced an easing of restrictions and have vaccinated 49 percent of their population so far, so it’s having its effects already.

In comparison, only 24 percent of the U.K. have been vaccinated, so it will be a few more months we are in Israel’s position.

I think by May the vaccine will be kicking in showing good news in the daily figures, then a slow easing of restrictions with all lifted by late August.
 
I can't be arsed with your first points. Not going over the same ground.

On the bold part, in terms of just hosting the tournament, it makes total sense and is the only feasible solution to get the tournament on.

All 24 teams would have their own bubble at the training grounds (the majority of which have their own sleeping facilities, btw).

The groups would be based at grounds near to the training grounds, so limited travel for the teams.

They'd all have to come here at least a week before the tournament anyway, so probably just tweak that to 10 days to include for some days of isolation.

Putting fans aside for one minute, it is absolutely fine for the UK to host the tournament this year in terms of just having a place to play the games. And it's the only solution that makes sense.

If fans can go, then you just have very limited capacity in these massive stadiums, restrict the ballots to the city areas (like the Everton and Liverpool games before Xmas), and everyone who goes has to have that negative covid test 24 hours before, and probably masks will have to be a thing even when sat down.

Middle of summer and the entire adult population will hopefully have had their first jab by the time the tournament starts.
Yeah, it's such a great idea no responsible government in Europe would touch this with a barge pole.

The Banana Republic will though...after all, it's not like this country has THE WORST PER CAPITA FATALITY RATE FROM COVID19 IN THE WORLD is it?
 

Can only agree with this guy, all you have to do is look at Sage; they are loving this pandemic what with all their “Exclusive interviews” with newspapers, while having a doom merchant on the news saying this will last forever.

This has made Sage very wealthy indeed and the billionaires richer. The WHO I thought were bad enough with their “Don’t expect there to be a vaccine” statement, but Sage really are the worse in all this.
 
Yeah, it's such a great idea no responsible government in Europe would touch this with a barge pole.

The Banana Republic will though...after all, it's not like this country has THE WORST PER CAPITA FATALITY RATE FROM COVID19 IN THE WORLD is it?
According to Worldometer, that’s San Marino, but only including countries with a population of 1 million or more, then that will be Belgium.
 
A very good news, this


The restrictions were lifted the sunday 7th feb.
that chart is showing a period where restrictions are in place.
do you ever check what you post? do you not think it’s worthwhile to challenge things before you distribute? Especially given the potentially dangerous implications.



here is one covering the period in question.
 
The restrictions were lifted the sunday 7th feb.
that chart is showing a period where restrictions are in place.
do you ever check what you post? do you not think it’s worthwhile to challenge things before you distribute? Especially given the potentially dangerous implications.
I did mate, it still is going down
 
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