Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Point of interest, which surprised me.

Apparently Pfizer vaccines in the Royal Free London NHS trust have had second doses booked for 10 weeks, and the first batch starting on the 15th of March will actually be after 9 weeks.

So it would seem a considerable number of people won’t be waiting 12 weeks regardless. That trust covers 1.6 million people according to their website.

I imagine that as more and more other vaccines become available (i.e. doses of AZ continue to be rolled out etc etc) then they'll reduce the spacing on certain ones as much as possible? All about supply.

I'm sick of the argument though cause it's just people reiterating the same points and insisting it was awful yet there's just as much evidence against it as there is for it - zero. A risk, but given the state the UK is in, in terms of deaths, a risk that probably needed to be taken to try and get more people their first dose quickly.

Personally, I'm glad my dad is getting his tomorrow. That wouldn't have happened if they hadn't made the decision they had. And given we're still in lockdown, I'm not sure my 80-year-old gran or 82-year-old granddad - who are both shielding - having had their second dose by now would have remarkably changed their lives or made them definitely safer.

 

[Walken]

I mean I'm telling you that on my laptop it was on the first page. Multiple other posters have also shown screenshots.

I'm just not sure how you can say it was hardly or would have been hardly reported. It's literally on every major news site?

I agree on the second point - but this is just one of many, many factors in why he should resign.

I've seen one screenshot, checked it out and brennan was right it was reported 2nd top story on BBC via phone. I literally have both bbc and sky open now on my laptop and it's not on their home pages, I can show you if feel I'm lying. Regardless, the topic of tories farming out contracts for ludicrous profits in a crisis goes beyond this story and has done for months. Outside of channel 4 and that younger fella on bbc, I can't remember his name I can't say I've heard much about it outside of social media. This should be huge, it's a shameless exploitation of human suffering for profit. Have cabinet ministers been questioned on it during interviews? Has it been raised by journalists at daily briefings as a question? I hope it has and I'm missing it, because this governments ability to operate without any consequence it deeply damaging

 

[BlueToff]

I've seen one screenshot, checked it out and brennan was right it was reported 2nd top story on BBC via phone. I literally have both bbc and sky open now on my laptop and it's not on their home pages, I can show you if feel I'm lying. Regardless, the topic of tories farming out contracts for ludicrous profits in a crisis goes beyond this story and has done for months. Outside of channel 4 and that younger fella on bbc, I can't remember his name I can't say I've heard much about it outside of social media. This should be huge, it's a shameless exploitation of human suffering for profit. Have cabinet ministers been questioned on it during interviews? Has it been raised by journalists at daily briefings as a question? I hope it has and I'm missing it, because this governments ability to operate without any consequence it deeply damaging

I don't think you're lying, I just know that last night it was on the home page - it was the top of the right bar on BBC news.

I agree on the rest but think the Hancock story has been pretty well publicised, though of course it should probably be even bigger.

 

[Tipp blue]

Main stream media where are you? Let's be havin you.... over 100 people gathered in a mosque in Dublin and the Garda (police) arrived and dispersed the crowd.. meanwhile I can be fined €200 for traveling more than 5km from home. Religious ceremonies are not allowed but Garda dispersed the crowd, everyone in attendance should have been fined or is that racist? Not a thing about it on any of our main TV or radio stations, maybe they can't because they'd be seen as racist. The rules and fines only apply to Potato Paddy because you can't be accused of racism.

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[Brennan]

Main stream media where are you? Let's be havin you.... over 100 people gathered in a mosque in Dublin and the Garda (police) arrived and dispersed the crowd.. meanwhile I can be fined €200 for traveling more than 5km from home. Religious ceremonies are not allowed but Garda dispersed the crowd, everyone in attendance should have been fined or is that racist? Not a thing about it on any of our main TV or radio stations, maybe they can't because they'd be seen as racist. The rules and fines only apply to Potato Paddy because you can't be accused of racism.

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Nothing about fines there either. Bit weird to make it about race really mert.

 

[mezzrow]

Later today, I will meet with lifelong friends to talk about a memorial service for the man who was the best man at my wedding and my friend since 1967. He succumbed to COVID last week, after traveling to meet friends over Christmas/New Year’s with his partner, where they both contracted the virus. She shook it off, but he did not.

As a young man, he beat Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and it changed his view of life and gave him a wisdom that most of us do not acquire until a much older age. He was a better friend to me than I was to him, which is true for most of if not all of his friends. In his time, he rewired city buses, climbed to the tops of most tall buildings in this place, played The Rite Of Spring and Mahler 5 for money in an orchestra, taught youngsters how to dress a stage and go up top while not killing themselves in the process, drove endless hours of dance clubs with the funk lines emerging from his bass, built a garage for his Mom pretty much by himself, and spent hundreds of hours looking at me over breakfast while we discussed how to fix the problems of this sinful world.

And that’s just scratching the surface.

In thinking of this, I ask myself if I knew then what I know now say, two years ago, would I level China to the ground with all the people in it to have him back? How much time do I spend considering the consequences of outsourcing something as dangerous as gain of function research to the Wild West of Chinese medical and professional ethics? (a lot) How angry am I at the people who are still smiling, pretending that everything is OK under their management like Nick Leeson sitting on $800 billion of futures losses before reality finally caught up with him? (same answer) Oh, and telling us whether we can make a living or leave our house.

“Go live your life, but don’t forget to check with us first to get permission. After all we’re taking good care of you.”

Yeah. Sure. You guys are doing some terrific job. SMH. Double facepalm.

If you are looking at one political side or the other to assign blame, I say embrace the power of condemning both. Then go find someone you love and tell them you love them. Go be a better friend and a better person while you're still here. Go thank that mate you've been taking for granted.

Call your dar, if you can. Call your gram, if you can. Hear their voice. Tell them you love them. When they're gone, they're gone.

 

[whiteshadow]

As for criticism - there would have been no criticism, whatsoever, if they'd followed the guidance they agreed when approving Pfizer. The opposite would be true; we'd have the best vaccination campaign of all the major Western nations by quite a long way.

And if their decision proves to be right and the first dose provides a good level of protection until the second dose is administered then they will have saved thousands of lives and have by a far greater extent the best vaccination campaign of all the major Western nations ...

yet ...

I think we all know, even if that pans out, which I'm fairly confident it will that you won't aknowledge it as being a great call, that took guts to make in the face of opposition from people.

The government has made a lot of poor decisions that have led to lives being lost, especially early in the pandemic. In the same way we should hold them accountable for that we should also be able to give them credit if they make good calls that saves thousands of lives.

I look forward to the shifting of goalposts and lack of any credit given when it turns out to be backed up by data that it was a great decision, and a brave one to make.

 

[Tipp blue]

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Nothing about fines there either. Bit weird to make it about race really mert.

Well spotted, although pointing out another group of people that the garda would be terrified to do anything about, dosent really disprove my point. Also the Irish Times would be a well respected source of news and they ran that story but haven't as of yet reported on the other story.

 

[Dixieslaces]

Later today, I will meet with lifelong friends to talk about a memorial service for the man who was the best man at my wedding and my friend since 1967. He succumbed to COVID last week, after traveling to meet friends over Christmas/New Year’s with his partner, where they both contracted the virus. She shook it off, but he did not.

As a young man, he beat Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and it changed his view of life and gave him a wisdom that most of us do not acquire until a much older age. He was a better friend to me than I was to him, which is true for most of if not all of his friends. In his time, he rewired city buses, climbed to the tops of most tall buildings in this place, played The Rite Of Spring and Mahler 5 for money in an orchestra, taught youngsters how to dress a stage and go up top while not killing themselves in the process, drove endless hours of dance clubs with the funk lines emerging from his bass, built a garage for his Mom pretty much by himself, and spent hundreds of hours looking at me over breakfast while we discussed how to fix the problems of this sinful world.

And that’s just scratching the surface.

In thinking of this, I ask myself if I knew then what I know now say, two years ago, would I level China to the ground with all the people in it to have him back? How much time do I spend considering the consequences of outsourcing something as dangerous as gain of function research to the Wild West of Chinese medical and professional ethics? (a lot) How angry am I at the people who are still smiling, pretending that everything is OK under their management like Nick Leeson sitting on $800 billion of futures losses before reality finally caught up with him? (same answer) Oh, and telling us whether we can make a living or leave our house.

“Go live your life, but don’t forget to check with us first to get permission. After all we’re taking good care of you.”

Yeah. Sure. You guys are doing some terrific job. SMH. Double facepalm.

If you are looking at one political side or the other to assign blame, I say embrace the power of condemning both. Then go find someone you love and tell them you love them. Go be a better friend and a better person while you're still here. Go thank that mate you've been taking for granted.

Call your dar, if you can. Call your gram, if you can. Hear their voice. Tell them you love them. When they're gone, they're gone.

Sorry for your loss, powerful post that!

 

[tsubaki]

Point of interest, which surprised me.

Apparently Pfizer vaccines in the Royal Free London NHS trust have had second doses booked for 10 weeks, and the first batch starting on the 15th of March will actually be after 9 weeks.

So it would seem a considerable number of people won’t be waiting 12 weeks regardless. That trust covers 1.6 million people according to their website.

Quite a few people haven't had to wait the whole twelve weeks - in Wales they've been second dosing eligible people if vaccination centres look like they will have some spare left at the end of the day. Then of course there are the people who got it in December (who still represent the bulk of the nearly 600000 people with the second dose), which of course includes many of the people one would assume would have had the doses properly.

And if their decision proves to be right and the first dose provides a good level of protection until the second dose is administered then they will have saved thousands of lives and have by a far greater extent the best vaccination campaign of all the major Western nations ...

yet ...

I think we all know, even if that pans out, which I'm fairly confident it will that you won't aknowledge it as being a great call, that took guts to make in the face of opposition from people.

The government has made a lot of poor decisions that have led to lives being lost, especially early in the pandemic. In the same way we should hold them accountable for that we should also be able to give them credit if they make good calls that saves thousands of lives.

I look forward to the shifting of goalposts and lack of any credit given when it turns out to be backed up by data that it was a great decision, and a brave one to make.

Well, all I’d say to this is that you’ve fairly (blithely) acknowledged that they’ve already made loads of mistakes that cost many lives; so not sure why they get such a pass on this one - especially given there’s the same phenomenon of ignoring a rather significant chunk of scientific advice in making this decision as there was in all those.

It’s also rather questionable as to how they are going to be able to prove this has worked, given the rather large factors (the AZ vaccine, the lockdown, the behaviour of people knowing they’ve not been given the full dose yet etc) that are going to impact on it.

Most of all though, there’s the fairly ridiculous situation that some appear to be saying there’s nothing wrong with a government making what is in effect a guess here, despite the risk to more than a million vulnerable people, the lack of evidence to back it up and the clear existence of an alternative that is known to work. Brave is usually defined as risking your own life, not someone else’s, after all.

If anything citing the “bravery” of the decision just makes it even more obvious that, if it does go wrong, people will be presenting it as a failed but noble-minded attempt, rather than yet another bad decision by a government that’s made so many.

 

[whiteshadow]

Quite a few people haven't had to wait the whole twelve weeks - in Wales they've been second dosing eligible people if vaccination centres look like they will have some spare left at the end of the day. Then of course there are the people who got it in December (who still represent the bulk of the nearly 600000 people with the second dose), which of course includes many of the people one would assume would have had the doses properly.



Well, all I’d say to this is that you’ve fairly (blithely) acknowledged that they’ve already made loads of mistakes that cost many lives; so not sure why they get such a pass on this one - especially given there’s the same phenomenon of ignoring a rather significant chunk of scientific advice in making this decision as there was in all those.

It’s also rather questionable as to how they are going to be able to prove this has worked, given the rather large factors (the AZ vaccine, the lockdown, the behaviour of people knowing they’ve not been given the full dose yet etc) that are going to impact on it.

Most of all though, there’s the fairly ridiculous situation that some appear to be saying there’s nothing wrong with a government making what is in effect a guess here, despite the risk to more than a million vulnerable people, the lack of evidence to back it up and the clear existence of an alternative that is known to work. Brave is usually defined as risking your own life, not someone else’s, after all.

If anything citing the “bravery” of the decision just makes it even more obvious that, if it does go wrong, people will be presenting it as a failed but noble-minded attempt, rather than yet another bad decision by a government that’s made so many.

I love the way you interpret meanings 'you' want to associate in to peoples words incorrectly, just because you disagree with their opinon. You have no idea in what way I intentioned those words, yet hold your own opinion in such high regard that you feel you can try telling me how I meant them.

Suprised you haven't tried telling me my own political views as you seem to think anyone who doesn't lean as far left as you is a Tory in the same way you want to class anyone who has more moderate views than yourself.

 

[peteblue]

Later today, I will meet with lifelong friends to talk about a memorial service for the man who was the best man at my wedding and my friend since 1967. He succumbed to COVID last week, after traveling to meet friends over Christmas/New Year’s with his partner, where they both contracted the virus. She shook it off, but he did not.

As a young man, he beat Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and it changed his view of life and gave him a wisdom that most of us do not acquire until a much older age. He was a better friend to me than I was to him, which is true for most of if not all of his friends. In his time, he rewired city buses, climbed to the tops of most tall buildings in this place, played The Rite Of Spring and Mahler 5 for money in an orchestra, taught youngsters how to dress a stage and go up top while not killing themselves in the process, drove endless hours of dance clubs with the funk lines emerging from his bass, built a garage for his Mom pretty much by himself, and spent hundreds of hours looking at me over breakfast while we discussed how to fix the problems of this sinful world.

And that’s just scratching the surface.

In thinking of this, I ask myself if I knew then what I know now say, two years ago, would I level China to the ground with all the people in it to have him back? How much time do I spend considering the consequences of outsourcing something as dangerous as gain of function research to the Wild West of Chinese medical and professional ethics? (a lot) How angry am I at the people who are still smiling, pretending that everything is OK under their management like Nick Leeson sitting on $800 billion of futures losses before reality finally caught up with him? (same answer) Oh, and telling us whether we can make a living or leave our house.

“Go live your life, but don’t forget to check with us first to get permission. After all we’re taking good care of you.”

Yeah. Sure. You guys are doing some terrific job. SMH. Double facepalm.

If you are looking at one political side or the other to assign blame, I say embrace the power of condemning both. Then go find someone you love and tell them you love them. Go be a better friend and a better person while you're still here. Go thank that mate you've been taking for granted.

Call your dar, if you can. Call your gram, if you can. Hear their voice. Tell them you love them. When they're gone, they're gone.

Really sorry to hear...

 

[peteblue]

I love the way you interpret meanings 'you' want to associate in to peoples words incorrectly, just because you disagree with their opinon. You have no idea in what way I intentioned those words, yet hold your own opinion in such high regard that you feel you can try telling me how I meant them.

Suprised you haven't tried telling me my own political views as you seem to think anyone who doesn't lean as far left as you is a Tory in the same way you want to class anyone who has more moderate views than yourself.

You‘re obviously one of those extreme far right moderates.......

 

[whiteshadow]

You‘re obviously one of those extreme far right moderates.......

I must be. lol

 

[navidson]

Do the government really think that families haven't been meeting outside all this time?!