tsubaki
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Yes, it’s a mess. That we have hundreds of thousands of positive cases is because of that failure. That’s what we need to fix, urgently not hopefully.
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Yes, it’s a mess. That we have hundreds of thousands of positive cases is because of that failure. That’s what we need to fix, urgently not hopefully.
Spot on this.
That's why when people say "we run the risk of another lockdown", we really don't, because the protection the vaccines offer means a lockdown would never again be politically or even ethically viable, simply because people wouldn't be dying or being hospitalised.
Even if a new dominant strain emerges, it would in all likelihood simply be more transmissable but still be 'covered' by the vaccine immune response, and would also then be 'booster shot' addressed inside six months and, to be honest, much sooner than that in the future.
Really is as simple as that.
The Oxford jab is less protective against the South African variant – but that's no disaster
The vaccine is still a vital weapon against Covid, even if it doesn’t stop mild cases caused by the new variant, says the public health consultant Peter English
Common sense this.
davek
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Health first, economy second.
You'd think to hear some people talking that before the virus hit education was top notch, mental health was stable and living standards were brilliant. They weren't. This crisis has merely sharpened up inequalities in those areas.
Stay safe; ride out the crisis and pick up from there. No use opening up society and the economy and seeing another 100,000 lives snuffed out just because some people want 'normality'...which was 'kin pony anyway for the vast majority other than the very young and the rich...or because this murderous Tory regime wants you to make more cash for their mates in business.
tsubaki
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No, it isn’t.
Tubey you are saying basically that we should allow it to spread because people won’t get seriously ill anymore. That is phenomenally dangerous; the complete opposite of what the last twelve months should have taught you.
We can only protect against this virus, and other viruses, with a proper defence. Vaccines are not the best defence against what we have now, never mind the subsequent variants of this and especially not against other viruses.
davek
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Utter bunkum from start to finish.
The blithe way you talk about death. Its like reading something from Dr Strangelove.
Using a government controlled whore like Whitty to back you up. He's bankrupt, and so is your argument.
They absolutely are.
I agree T&T is vital for future viruses - and for understanding community transmission and mutations of the current one - but sorry, what you've said there in bold is nonsense. The vaccines are clearly our best defence against COVID-19.
tsubaki
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If they are, then why did loads of countries go back to normal months ago?
roydo
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Different immune systems after having been exposed to similar stuff for ages?
Just my theory.
Loads of reasons. For New Zealand, they didn't go back to normal - they became basically a hermit kingdom (because they could in a way the UK/USA/most of Europe couldn't) and kept it suppressed that way. For several Asian countries, there's an inherent greater historical and cultural focus on mask wearing and hygiene due to previous epidemics (and yes, more efficient Test & Trace for the same reasons). For China, they did what China do - suppress human rights.
But all of these did so before a vaccine existed. All of these countries - every last one - will have mass vaccination against COVID, because of the obvious; restrictions alone aren't going to get the job done, and vaccines are the way out.
NilSatisOptimum
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Money talks and makes you a super virus spreader...
What countries are 'back to normal'?
Entire regions in Aus have been in and out of snap lockdowns because of a few cases. It's worked, but it's not 'normal', and there's still no concerts etc there, only matches/events with limited numbers of spectators (30,000 in the MCG I believe it was for the Boxing Day test?).
We'll see their lockdown rates go up again now because it's their autumn, cases will spike, however small that spike is.
New Zealand still aren't allowing any travellers in bar from Australia I think.
Nowhere is 'back to normal'.
tsubaki
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There’s a possibility of that, but it’s not that likely and there’s a lot more stuff they did to get vastly better results than we have.
Nowhere in the world is 'back to normal', either. 'Normal' is not snap 5-day lockdowns for areas thousands of miles wide for 10 cases in one specific place, as we're seeing in Victoria right now.
I'm not at all saying I don't agree with what the Australian system is, because it's clearly worked in suppressing the virus, but that ain't 'normality'.
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