Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

Whose misunderstanding is it though? The journalist or his sources in the German government. If he has accurately reprted what he's been told then isn't the problem is whichever government official tipped him off (inaccurately)?

It's both. The German sources who tipped under anonymity knowing it was bollocks but playing despicable politics, and the inept journalists who were given information of critical importance and failed to follow up on basic questions to corroborate it before running to press.

The journalists should be sacked immediately, hauled in front of regulators and prosecuted if need be, and the German government should undertake very transparent, very firm investigations into the people who put this information out from within their ranks and, again, if need be prosecute them.

It can't be stressed enough how damaging this has been.

 

[davek]

I am over 65, I will take the vaccine in a heartbeat. The UK MHRA approves it. The EU are really pissed off with the U.K. getting the jabs done and are furious that they can’t get enough of the AZ, hence their little tantrums and threats about exporting Pfizer to the U.K. This nonsense story in Bild is just someone playing silly buggers as part of the back covering exercise.....

I have elderly relatives much older than you who have taken the AZ vaccine and I have another about to take it. I'm concerned about this. I know that immune response dwindles well into old age, and this info from Germany has me on edge.

 

[arminisgod]

I have elderly relatives much older than you who have taken the AZ vaccine and I have another about to take it. I'm concerned about this. I know that immune response dwindles well into old age, and this info from Germany has me on edge.

What information from Germany??? The bollocks they have just been forced to deny?

 

[davek]

Both of which are a calculated risk.

As i said, if the EU say, we’re not approving AZ for over 65s as there’s not enough data to prove the efficacy level in that cohort, that’s a perfectly reasonable position to take, and is consistent with the UK gov clinical advice relating to AZ, as I linked to earlier in this thread.

Correct.

The rub is this: the data should be there before licensing it. AZ appear to have not tested enough to make this a no brainer for older groups in the same way that Pfizer / Moderna is. It might well be efficacious enough, but until they get the evidence back from ongoing take up, it's an issue.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I have elderly relatives much older than you who have taken the AZ vaccine and I have another about to take it. I'm concerned about this. I know that immune response dwindles well into old age, and this info from Germany has me on edge.

Don't worry mate, everything will be OK.

 

[davek]

Don't worry mate, everything will be OK.

Phew, thanks! I was worried then.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

@peteblue where you based mate? I assume out in the sticks but once we are all vaccinated and allowed back out do you do any GOT offers on your pub grub?

Anything like 40% off and I'll be more than happy to eat out to help out

 

[GrandOldTeam]

 

[Neiler]

Correct.

The rub is this: the data should be there before licensing it. AZ appear to have not tested enough to make this a no brainer for older groups in the same way that Pfizer / Moderna is. It might well be efficacious enough, but until they get the evidence back from ongoing take up, it's an issue.

This is the curious thing, the UK have been rolling out the AZ for weeks and likely on a larger scale then the AZ clinical trial, it should be very easy to analyse that data, but there doesn't seem to much either good or bad unless im missing it. I mean that in the same way that Israel have been providing a lot of data on the Pfizer vaccine.

That said there was a significant drop in the number of cases yesterday and if that continues to today, there might be a strong set of data to suggest that vaccine roll out - including AZ is making a significant difference to the UK rate of infection.

 

[Tubey]

@peteblue where you based mate? I assume out in the sticks but once we are all vaccinated and allowed back out do you do any GOT offers on your pub grub?

Anything like 40% off and I'll be more than happy to eat out to help out

I'd turn up like this just to annoy him.

 

[davek]

This is the curious thing, the UK have been rolling out the AZ for weeks and likely on a larger scale then the AZ clinical trial, it should be very easy to analyse that data, but there doesn't seem to much either good or bad unless im missing it. I mean that in the same way that Israel have been providing a lot of data on the Pfizer vaccine.

That said there was a significant drop in the number of cases yesterday and if that continues to today, there might be a strong set of data to suggest that vaccine roll out - including AZ is making a significant difference to the UK rate of infection.

Leaving aside the fact it's an abhorent apartheid state, the Israelis are a drilled nation and proving to be a leader on roll out and drawing conclusions. This place doesn't have the ability to test people for the virus properly, never mind conduct ongoing follow up studies of a vaccine roll out.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Leaving aside the fact it's an abhorent apartheid state, the Israelis are a drilled nation and proving to be a leader on roll out and drawing conclusions. This place doesn't have the ability to test people for the virus properly, never mind conduct ongoing follow up studies of a vaccine roll out.

Israel?

 

[davek]

Its going to be interesting to see what happens this week, with the EMA and the AZ vaccine.

I think is clear now there is some misinterpretation to the 8% reports, which we all found strange last night.

AZ are right in their statement last night in terms of reporting their study, but it was from results of a small sample size of over 65s.

The EMA will either sanction it, or put in caveats, depending on their findings.

Individual governments i think are responsible for their vaccine policy and roll out so even if it is fully approved, Germany might decide to use Pfizer or Moderna for over 65s.

Hopefully there ae no concerns though and this proves a storm in a tea cup and bad journalism.

The EU could do with a third vaccine option.

As you imply, it's a judgment call based on the data set size.

We all then have to make our own judgement call on who is right based on past performance.

 

[davek]

Israel?

Israel are doing a great job for Israelis on this.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Israel are doing a great job for Israelis on this.

Indeed.

Which is why this confused me;

Leaving aside the fact it's an abhorent apartheid state, the Israelis are a drilled nation and proving to be a leader on roll out and drawing conclusions. This place doesn't have the ability to test people for the virus properly, never mind conduct ongoing follow up studies of a vaccine roll out.

'This place' being the UK, or Israel?