Most 'key workers' who can work from home will still work from home, though...
Support bubbles are still a thing. They weren't in March. That could explain a large chunk of the movement, for one. Even if it's just between two households.
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Most 'key workers' who can work from home will still work from home, though...
Support bubbles are still a thing. They weren't in March. That could explain a large chunk of the movement, for one. Even if it's just between two households.
No it's not just for schools. March 31st is the date where they have to take it back to the Commons to review the legal enforcement of it. I am not saying this means we will be out of lockdown before March 31st but they will be reviewing before then which is what was initially asked.
Boris Johnson: “By the middle of February, if things go well and with a fair wind in our sails, we expect to have offered the first vaccine dose to everyone in the four top priority groups identified by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation. Then I hope we can steadily move out of lockdown, reopening schools after the February half term and starting, cautiously, to move regions down the tiers.”
“As was the case last spring, our emergence from the lockdown cocoon will not be a big bang but a gradual unwrapping. That is why the legislation this House will vote on later today runs until 31 March. Not because we expect the full national lockdown to continue until then, but to allow a steady, controlled and evidence-led move down through the tiers on a regional basis – carefully, brick by brick, as it were, breaking free of our confinement but without risking the hard won gains that our protections have given us.”
davek
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Theres still too much activity.
We had a lot more shutdown in the spring when the weather was beginning to work for us than we have now in the middle of winter when it isn't.
It isn't rocket scinece to work out that will make it far harder to get the infections down under those circumstances.
The real issue here is a government that cant make up its mind between taking control or allowing personal choice. It is completely ill-equipped to deal with a crisis of this nature. That's why we have in this country way higher fatality rates than most countries in the world.
grandjoeblue
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It won't end in March. They will vote again and it will be extended.
I believe some things will be allowed to reopen in May or June.
I believe some things will be allowed to reopen in May or June.
What would you stop right now that we haven't? That's surely the question.
Bar construction, there's very little 'open' (and construction was running in the spring - just people weren't going into offices) that wasn't then.
I work in an office two days a week because I can't work from home for that job but as I've said, it's very safe and I'm a lone worker on those days - no risk of spread in an office which is deep cleaned before I go in and I still have to wear a mask whenever I'm not at my desk.
So does construction account for all those extra cars on the road?
Off the top of my head, I don't know why the following would be/are open:
- Garden centres
- Places of worship
- Argument for T/O coffees etc - though as I've used an example of a little place where I go on walks which has been operating strictly T/O since October, and it is perfectly safe and well-managed. Max number of people queuing at any one time is five, they have an orderly system, nobody goes inside other than the couple who work there and it's all just contactless payments, you have to be wearing a mask if you queue etc. I can't imagine that is in any way contributing to the spread?
Halfords and the like were open in March, and are operating under the same 'click and collect' system they had in place then. Again, it's controlled, so there's less risk.
We will not be in this state of lockdown beyond March, mate.
The numbers are grim but they're genuinely hopeful of having the entire adult population having received / been offered their first dose of a vaccine by the end of June.
We'll be in tiers again at some point in March. Crucial thing is getting those tiers right this time.
Eight cases recorded this week in my area (based on the interactive map).
The highest of anywhere in Wakefield is 33 (and that's the inner city area with a high Asian population - and yes, that does have an impact, the numbers everywhere reflect that, probably because of cultural differences). That 33 is still a fair chunk below the national average.
West Yorks has been in Tier 3 or lockdown now since the end of October.
Tiers work, just have to get them right.
The highest of anywhere in Wakefield is 33 (and that's the inner city area with a high Asian population - and yes, that does have an impact, the numbers everywhere reflect that, probably because of cultural differences). That 33 is still a fair chunk below the national average.
West Yorks has been in Tier 3 or lockdown now since the end of October.
Tiers work, just have to get them right.
grandjoeblue
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I see this as being extremely unlikely. Still 40,000 new cases a day after 3 weeks of lockdown.
Knowing this tory government they might say we're in tier 4 but its basically the same thing.
There will be further variants which will result in further lockdown measures in future.
Surely low cases this week is because we're all in a national lockdown...
We haven't been in lockdown for 3 weeks? It came into effect on January 6th. That's 11 days.
If we start to see a sustained drop off in infections (we are testing tons more people so that's going to all be relative) then, 2 weeks (give or take) after that, we start to see a sustained drop in deaths/hospitalisations.
We'll be into a tiered scheme in March - if the vaccine roll out continues at this pace. What those tiers are remains to be seen.
They can develop the vaccines to protect against those variants - after this lockdown ends, there's no excuse for any more restrictions like we're seeing now across Europe. It's going to be like the flu jab. That's not me comparing it to the flu, the vaccine developers themselves have said that.
The tiers work if done correctly, and not completely bodged like they did last time with London and the South East, which is what contributed to this massive spike.
My area has been in Tier 3 or lockdown since the last few days in October. Trust me, I don't think we're in for a quick fix, but come mid-March, we'll be in tiers again. I just doubt many places will be in tier 2 until getting on towards April.
They've been the same for the last two months, Nymz
I've been checking
10th December there were 4 cases, for example (my dad text me that so just done quick search)
27th November, 16 cases.
It's been very consistent
grandjoeblue
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Tier 4 is essentially a national lockdown its more than 11 days for the majority of people. I have lost any hope of normality resuming any time soon now. Even the tier system is so far removed from normal. I couldn't care less that pubs are allowed to open if you still cannot see your family.
Its depressing but it is what it is. I have resigned myself to thinking that we will potentially have some normality in around 2023 or later.
davek
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Construction needs to stop.
Highway repairs like pot hole work needs to stop.
Religious attendance should stop (put it all online).
Garden centres need closing.
Takeaways need to stop.
Coffee shops closed.
A curfew should be considered and public transport shutdown to help keep it.
Tier 4 was brought in as they desperately tried to cover their backs for messing up with London and the SE.
I imagine, with millions having received a vaccine dose or the full doses by March/mid-March, they'll probably use the three tiered system.
Again, I stress, most places will be in T3, but it'll be a start.
Depends what you define as normal mate, but I'm confident you wont be waiting until 2023 to be able to have something that resembles a normal day again.
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