Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

Okay, I agree on that second part.

What can we do about people going to work when they're ill, though?

And how do you define when someone should or should not go to work?

You can't can you, because different people fight things off differently - or are more susceptible to certain illnesses than others. So how do you control that? Where would the cut-off be?

I totally understand in regards to something like COVID, where it can be tested for. But I'm not sure how an everyday bug - which ultimately is what can cause/lead to flu or a bad illness - can really be tested, tracked and traced?

Well, we can make sure that people are able to go sick without being punished for it, and get people into the habit of not going in when they are sick. If there was a process for this to happen (ie: that someone independent goes round their house to do the test) then it would cut out a lot of the pisstaking.

In terms of what do you test, then it would be for influenza and other transmissable diseases. The most important thing about doing it though would be getting people (staff and the public) used to it though, so when this happens again they know what to do, dont panic and can plan properly.

 

[Sassy Colombian]

Now this from the British government. How do you all living in Britain feel about the possibility of receiving a mix-and-match vaccine dose?

"Britain has quietly updated its vaccination playbook to allow for a mix-and-match vaccine regimen. If a second dose of the vaccine a patient originally received isn’t available, or if the manufacturer of the first shot isn’t known, another vaccine may be substituted, health officials said. The new guidance contradicts guidelines in the United States, where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has noted that the authorized Covid-19 vaccines “are not interchangeable"

Britain Opens Door to Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Worrying Experts

If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to the guidelines.

www.nytimes.com

 

[tsubaki]

meanwhile, a Tory MP tweets:

 

[arminisgod]

Now this from the British government. How do you all living in Britain feel about the possibility of receiving a mix-and-match vaccine dose?

"Britain has quietly updated its vaccination playbook to allow for a mix-and-match vaccine regimen. If a second dose of the vaccine a patient originally received isn’t available, or if the manufacturer of the first shot isn’t known, another vaccine may be substituted, health officials said. The new guidance contradicts guidelines in the United States, where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has noted that the authorized Covid-19 vaccines “are not interchangeable"
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Britain Opens Door to Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Worrying Experts

If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to the guidelines.

www.nytimes.com

The British medical board have already asked the NYT to remove the article as its bollocks

 

[Sassy Colombian]

The British medical board have already asked the NYT to remove the article as its bollocks

The article still posted and don't see any retractions. Could it be that the British Medical Board is not willing to admit to its citizens something that their government is discussing to do?

 

[roydo]

The article still posted and don't see any retractions. Could it be that the British Medical Board is not willing to admit to its citizens something that their government is discussing to do?

Pretty sure this whole story was dismissed as nonsense earlier today.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I've expanded on my post.

If we can try and help, yes, but thousands die of flu which spreads like a common cold - and comes with the seasons.

Improved hygiene, hand washing, social distancing. Guess all these measures (and rightly so in regards the first two) will be in place for a long time yet, and that should help bring the spread of stuff like flu down too. Having people having to be tested and traced for stuff like that is a bit much to me.

Anyway, it's common sense? If you get ill, you don't tend to grub about everywhere do you? You're usually in bed and isolating that way.

Of the people that die every year of flu, I imagine it's generally the older, more vulnerable people. Will testing and tracing prevent them from being more susceptible to something like the common cold?

7 days of self cert statuary sick is incentive enough especially on various age related minimum wage to grub about work that's if you are lucky enough to have contract, naff all for many in the big economy.

Also worth remembering sick notes were scrapped and fitness to work came in. It's good to work, it's best for the soul


Myself lucky would have full 6 months pay while off sick, but have 3 colds and off sick with all of them within the first year of first registered sickness my local authority willl look to terminate your employment.

All in all very easy to be grubbiing about while with a virus, very easy if it's just a slight tickcleled cough...

 

[davids]

Yep. Sorry if the wires got crossed.

For something like covid, I fully get test, track and trace and think it's a travesty that the UK's is so poor.

I'm not sure that test, track and trace can actually really combat something like flu (as an example) going forward after covid, though.

But there should definitely be something in place so that if there is a virus going around that needs stemming, it can be done so without lockdowns.

Just keep everything you can cross crossed that it doesn't mutate into a form of Avian Flu, SARS or MERS. If it does the last year will have been a trip to the seaside in comparison.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

They better get these vaccines out sharpish and not balls it up - I want my life back lads I even miss the bollocking I used to get off the missus for coming home Leon Osman'ed after a night on the ale

 

[Sassy Colombian]

Pretty sure this whole story was dismissed as nonsense earlier today.

Then this is exactly where we are failing as a society when it comes to misinformation. When false news don't get retracted, or corrected, by big newspapers as the NY Times then what can we expect of other news outlets or social media platforms. How can people really be informed and know from real to fake

 

[roydo]

Then this is exactly where we are failing as a society when it comes to misinformation. When false news don't get retracted, or corrected, by big newspapers as the NY Times then what can we expect of other news outlets or social media platforms. How can people really be informed and know from real to fake

IIRC, it was a discussion, that morphed into "fact".

Like its not been reported in any UK press. But NY Times have been lazy this morning.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The British medical board have already asked the NYT to remove the article as its bollocks

IIRC, it was a discussion, that morphed into "fact".

Like its not been reported in any UK press. But NY Times have been lazy this morning.

Pretty sure this whole story was dismissed as nonsense earlier today.

Dr Ramsay added that on the "extremely rare occasions" where the same vaccine is unavailable or it is unknown which jab the patient received, it is "better to give a second dose of another vaccine than not at all". This could come down as what defines rare...

And with a Government continually overstates and then under delivers. Having its cards marked early doors on one part of the vaccination program this needs to be done more.


There is some validity in the story, to dismiss out of hand as nonsense and bollocks well is nonsense and bollocks in its self.

COVID-19: 'Mixing coronavirus vaccines is not recommended,' health agency warns

Guidance to medics says the second jab can be from a different brand only if the same one is not available.

news.sky.com

Warning against mixing Covid vaccines after Government called it 'reasonable'

One US expert said UK officials 'seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess'.

metro.co.uk

UK draws up plans to mix coronavirus vaccines

In event that first dose becomes unavailable people could be given second shot with different product

www.ft.com

 

[roydo]

Dr Ramsay added that on the "extremely rare occasions" where the same vaccine is unavailable or it is unknown which jab the patient received, it is "better to give a second dose of another vaccine than not at all". This could come down as what defines rare...

And with a Government continually overstates and then under delivers. Having its cards marked early doors on one part of the vaccination it needs to be done more.


There is some validity in the story, to dismiss out of hand as nonsense and bollocks well is nonsense and bollocks in its self.

COVID-19: 'Mixing coronavirus vaccines is not recommended,' health agency warns

Guidance to medics says the second jab can be from a different brand only if the same one is not available.

news.sky.com

Warning against mixing Covid vaccines after Government called it 'reasonable'

One US expert said UK officials 'seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess'.

metro.co.uk

UK draws up plans to mix coronavirus vaccines

In event that first dose becomes unavailable people could be given second shot with different product

www.ft.com

Like I said, a discussion turned into fact.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Email just now off kids schools.
Loads of teachers not going in, cleaning staff not going in.
School shut.
Nice one. FFS.

The email from my daughter's school says the school will be open but that the children should wear an extra t shirt under their uniforms as they'll be keeping the windows open...

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Like I said, a discussion turned into fact.

It will happen, how much is the question. And its a technique that has never been done "live" before.

Dr Ramsay added that on the "extremely rare occasions" where the same vaccine is unavailable or it is unknown which jab the patient received, it is "better to give a second dose of another vaccine than not at all".