Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Wizard]

But the 1 in every quarter of million figure being quoted is not that every one in the population who take the Pfizer vaccine will have an anaphylaxic shock every quarter of a million times the vaccine is given. The individuals in question will have been those usually at risk from a vaccine reaction.

And putting this in perspective: if a new vaccine is getting extreme reaction only 4x higher than most vaccines induce then that has to be seen as a success.

remember, we are in the teeth of a killer pandemic and most people will recognise that if they have the Pfizer vaccine then it will be a quarter of a million shot that they'll have a severe reaction, and that there are no reported incidences of anyone dying from the reaction.

Context is key here.

2 Alaska Health Workers Got Emergency Treatment After Receiving Pfizer’s Vaccine

One of the workers, who did not have a history of allergies, remained in the hospital on Wednesday night. Some reactions to the vaccine were also reported last week in Britain.

www.nytimes.com

Woman with no history of allergic reactions spent the night in ICU and 2 days in hospital. I couldn't find info on the other people that have been affected.

It shouldn't be a worry as the people giving the vaccine should be prepared. And it was 1 in 45,000 based on the article, not 1 in 250,000. It is important this is known so that it can be handled properly. Anti-vaxxers will jump on anything so the whole process has to be as transparent as possible with all the correct facts presented.

 

[davek]

It shouldn't be a worry as the people giving the vaccine should be prepared. And it was 1 in 45,000 based on the article, not 1 in 250,000. It is important this is known so that it can be handled properly. Anti-vaxxers will jump on anything so the whole process has to be as transparent as possible with all the correct facts presented.

The two Alaskan cases: one had a history of reaction to vaccines; the other didnt go into shock, she had a rash and elevated heart-rate. These side effects for a tiny minority were known and reported when Pfizer first announced their results. There's nothing new here, and overall there's nothing alarming.

The numbers we're dealing with dwarf the cases where a reaction is seen.

 

[orchard]

But the 1 in every quarter of million figure being quoted is not that every one in the population who take the Pfizer vaccine will have an anaphylaxic shock every quarter of a million times the vaccine is given. The individuals in question will have been those usually at risk from a vaccine reaction.

And putting this in perspective: if a new vaccine is getting extreme reaction only 4x higher than most vaccines induce then that has to be seen as a success.

remember, we are in the teeth of a killer pandemic and most people will recognise that if they have the Pfizer vaccine then it will be a quarter of a million shot that they'll have a severe reaction, and that there are no reported incidences of anyone dying from the reaction.

Context is key here.

I'm not arguing for one vaccine Vs another to nor whether one ought to take one, just correcting your earlier statement mate.

Furthermore, severe reactions are caused by different things, they're not all the same, and allergies have been increasing almost exponentially since the 70's, and therefore concentrated mainly in the under 50's. Incidentally, these individuals will probably also have asthma as the two are linked, and maybe even more vulnerable to Covid and therefore may register as more at risk.

 

[tsubaki]

is he doing another press briefing today? was planning to watch Never ending story but they have binned it off bbc

probably binned off because that film would remind people of a time when things with shaggy long off-white hair weren’t associated with incompetence

 

[Wizard]

The two Alaskan cases: one had a history of reaction to vaccines; the other didnt go into shock, she had a rash and elevated heart-rate. These side effects for a tiny minority were known and reported when Pfizer first announced their results. There's nothing new here, and overall there's nothing alarming.

The numbers we're dealing with dwarf the cases where a reaction is seen.

You're either trying to wind me up or just don't read anything that is presented to you. The woman with no history of allergic reactions had to spend a night in ICU and spent 2 days in hospital.


The first worker, a middle-aged woman who had no history of allergies, had an anaphylactic reaction that began 10 minutes after receiving the vaccine at Bartlett Regional Hospital in Juneau on Tuesday, a hospital official said. She experienced a rash over her face and torso, shortness of breath and an elevated heart rate.
Dr. Lindy Jones, the hospital’s emergency department medical director, said the worker was first given a shot of epinephrine, a standard treatment for severe allergic reactions. Her symptoms subsided but then re-emerged, and she was treated with steroids and an epinephrine drip.

When doctors tried to stop the drip, her symptoms re-emerged yet again, so the woman was moved to the intensive care unit, observed throughout the night, then weaned off the drip early Wednesday morning, Dr. Jones said.

I agree the risk of covid is worse but it is important the facts are presented correctly.

 

[davek]

You're either trying to wind me up or just don't read anything that is presented to you. The woman with no history of allergic reactions had to spend a night in ICU and spent 2 days in hospital.


The first worker, a middle-aged woman who had no history of allergies, had an anaphylactic reaction that began 10 minutes after receiving the vaccine at Bartlett Regional Hospital in Juneau on Tuesday, a hospital official said. She experienced a rash over her face and torso, shortness of breath and an elevated heart rate.
Dr. Lindy Jones, the hospital’s emergency department medical director, said the worker was first given a shot of epinephrine, a standard treatment for severe allergic reactions. Her symptoms subsided but then re-emerged, and she was treated with steroids and an epinephrine drip.

When doctors tried to stop the drip, her symptoms re-emerged yet again, so the woman was moved to the intensive care unit, observed throughout the night, then weaned off the drip early Wednesday morning, Dr. Jones said.

I agree the risk of covid is worse but it is important the facts are presented correctly.

The woman was kept in as a precaution because her symptoms were recurring. How much of that was down to stress after the first reaction we cant tell. But she was ok.

I know what you're saying about the need to have medical attention on hand, but that looks reasonably easy - 15 minute observation and have on hand the shot of epinephrine.

But when dealing with such volume and in the context of a pandemic, if this level of reaction (and they are probably the extreme cases) is what's being seen, then that vaccine is in good shape.

 

[bullybeef]

Interesting that today’s briefing is at 3pm.

Matty Hancock obvs wants an early dart to start getting on it for Christmas.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[summerisle]

 

[Tubey]

Again, total BS!

How can you say it's "more transmissable" if you've seen TWO cases of it ffs.

Are you going to call a press conference for every mutation now? You know, all literally thousands of them?

I really, really, really don't want to be on any conspiracy with this, but it's just too much to ignore.

 

[arminisgod]

it is utter bollocks, South Africa announced this 2 weeks ago. It will be Antartica tomorrow

 

[Tubey]

it is utter bollocks, South Africa announced this 2 weeks ago. It will be Antartica tomorrow

"We're extending Tier 4, we need a reason why because we can't just say the south are at fault like the stupid northerners were - oh, a new strain in South Africa; that'll do."

 

[arminisgod]

"We're extending Tier 4, we need a reason why because we can't just say the south are at fault like the stupid northerners were - oh, a new strain in South Africa; that'll do."

They want to scrub the word 'lockdown' from the record books, much like Austerity.

Tier 5 will be announced next week (full lockdown) due to the Saffer variant

 

[BlueToff]

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Again, total BS!

How can you say it's "more transmissable" if you've seen TWO cases of it ffs.

Are you going to call a press conference for every mutation now? You know, all literally thousands of them?

I really, really, really don't want to be on any conspiracy with this, but it's just too much to ignore.

They're (and I mean the authorities globally) are never going to let this end now, I'm convinced. Okay, 'never' is strong, but it'll be way longer than there's any justification for.

There'll always be 'something'. Always some 'fear' or new strain or whatever. Some change that will just mean that until every single person is vaccinated then there's got to be lockdowns. Got to be some sort of control (this is for lack of a better word btw).

The UK government cocked up by allowing London and the south east to be in Tier 2 at the start of the months. That's all this is. Throw in a new strain/mutation, people travelling for work and back home for Xmas = full lockdown again in the first week of Jan.