Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Testing houliers going through the tunnel is probably something that should of been happening since march, same as airports and ferry terminals, but it will only work if people coming from the other way are also being tested

 

[Jebus_lives]

They are doing exactly the same in my wife’s Trust. Call goes out that there is vaccine available and it’s basically administered on a first come first served basis. They don’t want to waste a single dose, quite rightly.

Lots of trusts seem to be proactively creating lists of their most at risk staff then if they think it's going to waste, calling those people in. If they aren't available, then it seems to be whoever is closest.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The executive team should using there expertise in identifying those who are vulnerable in the community outside the group's first identified to relieve pressures on ICU beds rather than looking out for themselves, while holed working from home.
And I like many don't need a management consultant in my excutive team in my local authority who has no clinical experience whatsoever to show me how safe it is. While front line staff go without.
Everything wrong what it is to be British, with this me myself and I.
You are frankly revolting if you truly believe this...

Why would a trust have the knowledge and understanding to identify the vulnerable in the community?

Executive teams aren't necessarily 'working from home'. In fact for many they are proactively 'walking the floor' or their role requires them to be at location at a site (particularly those who have clinical knowledge - director of nursing, A&E, director of non emergency services). Clearly, if they are 'working from home', they wouldn't get the vaccine, as they'd have to be on sight to get it.

I don't think front line staff would be going without, but let's say you have 100 nurses who can all do the same job, but only 1 director of urgent care (who has the authority to open additional wards, authority to increase flow within the system, authority to liaise with LA(s) on creating additional capacity in the community) should they go without?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story

Reports in state media signal an intensifying propaganda effort to place the birth of the virus in other countries

www.theguardian.com

 

[cronullasharks]

A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story

Reports in state media signal an intensifying propaganda effort to place the birth of the virus in other countries

www.theguardian.com

Great bunch of lads

 

[grandjoeblue]

A year after Wuhan alarm, China seeks to change Covid origin story

Reports in state media signal an intensifying propaganda effort to place the birth of the virus in other countries

www.theguardian.com

Still not sure how they have zero covid, unless they have a vaccine. The only countries that have managed to have zero covid started with extremely low cases. Realistically it should have spread all over China by February even with Wuhan locked down.

 

[tsubaki]

Still not sure how they have zero covid, unless they have a vaccine. The only countries that have managed to have zero covid started with extremely low cases. Realistically it should have spread all over China by February even with Wuhan locked down.

Indeed. Anyone who believes they’ve had 4000 dead as the result of this belongs in one of the re-education camps that they don’t have.

 

[COYBL25]

Still not sure how they have zero covid, unless they have a vaccine. The only countries that have managed to have zero covid started with extremely low cases. Realistically it should have spread all over China by February even with Wuhan locked down.

Maybe they’re telling porkies ?

 

[Billy Dean]

If the overweight had been strapped to treadmills back in march there'd be a lot fewer 'vulnerable people' to worry about today.

Tea Drinker! Good to have you back mate

 

[COYBL25]

Indeed. Anyone who believes they’ve had 4000 dead as the result of this belongs in one of the re-education camps that they don’t have.

I can think of at least one person on here lol

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Why would a trust have the knowledge and understanding to identify the vulnerable in the community?

Through the various outpatient services that many, if not all trusts have in operation, some are even conveniently named "chest clinic", so the executive experts should easily identify people of risk, or not in your case.
These clinics where illnesses such as COPD or Emphysema are managed, they pester people on every 3 6 12 month review for updated contact detail, when they go into the hospital for said appointment.

I don't think front line staff would be going without, but let's say you have 100 nurses who can all do the same job, but only 1 director of urgent care (who has the authority to open additional wards, authority to increase flow within the system, authority to liaise with LA(s) on creating additional capacity in the community) should they go without?

If they are of low risk health wise and age, also many of this executive skill set are working from home, then yes front line staff and more importantly people of risk from serious complications should be having vaccine first, because its this group that will overwhelm the NHS regardless of how many directors are authorised to open wards. Its called "prevention".

 

[Prevenger17]

If the overweight had been strapped to treadmills back in march there'd be a lot fewer 'vulnerable people' to worry about today.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I'll link this here in case it is helpful for anyone struggling to come to terms with living with the pandemic. It's an interesting read.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...h-related-issues.62441/page-1026#post-8356800

 

[Jebus_lives]

If the overweight had been strapped to treadmills back in march there'd be a lot fewer 'vulnerable people' to worry about today.

Yeah but clearly excessive exercise means that

Through the various outpatient services that many, if not all trusts have in operation, some are even conveniently named "chest clinic", so the executive experts should easily identify people of risk, or not in your case.
These clinics where illnesses such as COPD or Emphysema are managed, they pester people on every 3 6 12 month review for updated contact detail, when they go into the hospital for said appointment.


If they are of low risk health wise and age, also many of this executive skill set are working from home, then yes front line staff and more importantly people of risk from serious complications should be having vaccine first, because its this group that will overwhelm the NHS regardless of how many directors are authorised to open wards. Its called "prevention".

'Pestering' known patients who will have been referred to the trust doesn't cover the full range of vulnerable people who will require a vaccine.

The best placed organisations for management of vulnerable people is the Local Authority, which is why when the shielding activities were being managed they weren't managed by trusts, they were managed by local authorities. They generally provide clinical "intervention", primary care does much more of the "prevention".

People at risk are getting the vaccine first. But if those that are scheduled to have the vaccine can't or won't have it, who should get it at incredibly short notice? And how do you administer that practically?

 

[chaiwala]

Strikes me as somewhat bizarre that its deemed perfectly reasonable to lock up kids and healthy young people so potentially ruining their lives, while locking up just 'the vulnerable' and so saving their lives and keeping hospitals empty is seen as a massive infringement on human rights.

The only intelligent approach to this virus is to find some way to live with it. Arou d the world we have lots of evidence that lockdowns dont work unless they are made 100% strict and are implemented forever.