Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Eggs said:
...I don’t think Anderson/Rotherham have been conniving, I note they are at lengths to distance themselves from the Government, I get the impression they are uncomfortable with all the praise from Westminster. I think the Government are scared of Burnham’s popularity and see this as an opportunity to criticise.

They are using Liverpool and will continue to do so. Next time they are accused of being London centric, I can see them again highlighting Liverpool to counter that view.
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Oh, beyond all the rhetoric those two have been cutting deals with Hancock and Johnson.

This was always on the cards as soon as they agreed to break ranks and unilaterally go into talks with the government about testing.

They've thrown everyone in the big northern regions under the bus in order to get a bit of cash in revenue this Christmas. The pair of them are creatures of the Liverpool Chamber of Commerce and all the other money making organisations on merseyside.
 
Hospital figures - 430 deaths were announced today, down 16 on yesterday and down 4 on last Thursday. 351 deaths were in English hospitals, down 2 on yesterday and up 5 on last week with 344 occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average falls slightly to 363.43

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 498 deaths were announced today, down 197 on yesterday and down 3 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average falls slightly to 465.14

There has been no data announced for the 60 day cut off as yet
 
Would love to know how people are still catching it 4 weeks into a lockdown.

Said it for a while delivery/postmen should be made to wear gloves as should anyone going into a supermarket.

Too much contamination I imagine.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Would love to know how people are still catching it 4 weeks into a lockdown.

Said it for a while delivery/postmen should be made to wear gloves as should anyone going into a supermarket.

Too much contamination I imagine.
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Gloves, outside of PPE in hospitals, are useless. Unless you have different gloves every time you go shopping or deliver a parcel.

And although I share your bewilderment at why folk are still getting it, I guess its cos its really really infectious. And schools.
 
Deckard2049 said:
It’s unacceptable but I know for certain that a select few posters here will not bat an eyelid. They are so myopic in their view of lockdown that the costs of restrictions are either deliberately ignored or relegated to unfortunate, rare incidents which should not distract from the war on COVID which all social, medical and scientific aspects of life must now revolve around. These cases will be rationalised away as casualties as part of the bigger, more important and pressing fight.

Welcome to the future where you’re told your dying over Zoom. But of course, we’re all in this together...
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Sadly , not so much the dying part but that is the reality for a lot of hospital patients now. Even dermatology is moving into video calls, most speciality has a telephone service and orthopaedic assessments are phone only unless they absolutely have to bring you in for a scan etc.

Its not a blanket cut off from patients but given the length of time since many even were referred into the hospital , I completely emphasise with anyone my staff have have to help who may be a little bit annoyed.

But like I say this is mainly unavoidable. There was no way the hospital could bring people in until at least the summer and by then the queue started which has been growing ever since. A lot of people haven't wanted to come into hospitals either which is again understandable.

The impact the initial lockdown will be felt in the health service for a long time to come and it's scary to think this applys to probably 75% of the country.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Would love to know how people are still catching it 4 weeks into a lockdown.

Said it for a while delivery/postmen should be made to wear gloves as should anyone going into a supermarket.

Too much contamination I imagine.
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Because combined with schools, they’re still in and out of each other’s houses, they take all their kids with them to the supermarket and generally carry on as normal.

I see them every day mate.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Would love to know how people are still catching it 4 weeks into a lockdown.

Said it for a while delivery/postmen should be made to wear gloves as should anyone going into a supermarket.

Too much contamination I imagine.
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I believe it's inevitable. How many people would have had it without even knowing they had it.

Have all your measures in place by all means , as far as I know the measures have stopped me getting it (there is a gap between June and 2 weeks ago I have no idea about).

If covid is here to stay , we will all get it at some point much like anything else. I don't catch the flu every year but I have had it before, just like covid will be.
 
Tubey said:
amp.theguardian.com

Hancock's former neighbour won Covid test kit work after WhatsApp message

Alex Bourne ran pub frequented by UK health secretary close to his former constituency home
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

Disgusting.
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It's been one of the hidden narratives of the Tory government In general. Same as the ppe contract to a small family run business rather than one designed for a nationwide distribution.

Not just covid related either, the ship contract springs to mind, ship contract for a company who don't own any ships. Many mentions of connections as well , somebody's wife/husband getting money/contracts.
 
So, has it finally been proved that the lateral flow tests are indeed much more reliable than the PCR ones?

And all this talk of 'false negatives' - well actually all along it could well have been 1000s of false positives?

The 'swing' between lateral flow results in Liverpool (one of the worst hit areas a month back) and PCR is supposedly around 70-80%? Isn't there talk that around two thirds of PCR results could be false either way?

I'm confused and p***** off.

Surely this lateral flow testing isn't new? I know logistics is a big issue given they need to be tested within an hour and that's why the army is doing them.

I listened to the Hancock statement and questions earlier. And it's good that the lateral flow tests are going to be out in the Tier 3 areas soon.

But I just feel like we've been sold a ride by basing everything on PCR results if something else more reliable was available - and studies seem to prove they are much more reliable?

Keep in mind Valance admitted earlier in November that they based the lockdown measures this month on out-of-date data.
 
davek said:
I'm not sure what you get out of debating whether a few pubs can or will open for business if they sell food.

It's a strange obsession.
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The trade - the hospitality trade, not just 'a few pubs' - is never, ever recovering from this. No matter what Tier they're in.

It's done. Finito. And that's 1000s and 1000s of people's jobs and livelihoods. Gone.

In the name of stopping a virus that a) has been here 12 months, b) the testing has now seemingly proved to be incorrect, with a lot of Europe now switching to lateral flow rather than PCR.

It's not just the hospitality trade.

I worked in an office in Leeds, but as I was freelance had the freedom to do both remote and in-office working. Obviously no staff in the office since March.

The office has now gone - the lease is up, the company aren't renewing.

That was an office of around 600-800 people, right in the heart of Leeds, surrounded by independent shops and retailers and establishments that relied on office trade for the week.

Gone. Not coming back.
 
BlueToff said:
So, has it finally been proved that the lateral flow tests are indeed much more reliable than the PCR ones?

And all this talk of 'false negatives' - well actually all along it could well have been 1000s of false positives?

The 'swing' between lateral flow results in Liverpool (one of the worst hit areas a month back) and PCR is supposedly around 70-80%? Isn't there talk that around two thirds of PCR results could be false either way?

I'm confused and p***** off.

Surely this lateral flow testing isn't new? I know logistics is a big issue given they need to be tested within an hour and that's why the army is doing them.

I listened to the Hancock statement and questions earlier. And it's good that the lateral flow tests are going to be out in the Tier 3 areas soon.

But I just feel like we've been sold a ride by basing everything on PCR results if something else more reliable was available - and studies seem to prove they are much more reliable?

Keep in mind Valance admitted earlier in November that they based the lockdown measures this month on out-of-date data.
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Im pissed off that thousands of people have died so far this week and your crying about fcking tests.

Get a grip.
 
MikelsGoat said:
Im pissed off that thousands of people have died so far this week and your crying about fcking tests.

Get a grip.
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So am I, it's upsetting.

It's crap. We need to get a hold of this thing and the general infection rate has gone down. That's good.

But to get a hold of this thing - and stop more people dying from it and the collateral consequences of lockdown/tiers, whatever - then surely we need to be using the right bloody tests?

Could these definitely not have been produced quicker? I know Liverpool was a trial, but surely it's just a different method of testing. It was known before, surely?
 
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