Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Light at the end of the tunnel. Lockdown will automatically end after the 4 week period.

Talks utter wham does that clown.

I think it will.

We'll be in tiers for December and they'll probably have nowhere in Tier 3 by Christmas (BJ already laid the seeds of how 'important' he thinks that is and he'll know it's an easy win for the press if he 'cancels Christmas').

It'll probably be give and take. Lockdown for four weeks (the data published last week is now showing that the Tier system did have a positive impact in the case of the North West), tiers and then open similar to the summer at Christmas (maybe group restrictions but curfews etc possibly lifted).

Jan will probably be back in a form of lockdown tiered or not, with the aim of continuing to use the Tiers until spring.
 
Furlough until March aka there’s no chance Lockdown ends on 02/12/2020.

Amazing that they were telling us to have a meal on them only a few months ago.

This joke of a government needs booting out. They’re an utter disgrace.

Well no, furlough has been going on since March hasn't it - didn't it only stop on 30th October? We weren't in 'lockdown' in July, August and September.

That's not me sticking up for the government, but it doesn't mean we'll be in lockdown until then - they'll just use the tier system

Also, it seems that all has actually been shut right now is the hospitality and retail stuff.

Everything else is open - including, bafflingly, garden centres.

Coffee shops still open offering takeaway etc.
 
Every country in Europe is bricking it pretty much.

The entire continent is going to be in some form of lockdown (strict or not so strict) until March
 
Will the self employed who are able to work as normal still be able to claim an extra 80% of their income for free? On top of their earnings?

Absolute joke when some people out there are unable to work and receive nothing.

And Rishi Sunak is going to hike the tax (for self-employed) too.

I'm due to pay my tax for my 2019-20 earnings by Jan and God knows how I'm gonna have enough to pay that back. All I'm basically doing is paying back more than I got in universal credit help from the government this year
 
I've lost count of the number of people who demanded to know from me (when I said the country needs locking down again) what the people laid off would do without cash, as "there'd be no more furlough".

Not that they'd own up to it. They tend to go missing when their views are found out to be spectacularly wrong.

You do know there's millions of people still being left out though Dave?

Luckily this time around it's not me, but it is a totally viable worry for people.

Nearly 3 million self-employed and freelancers - at a conservative estimate - have had no financial support though this. So people not wanting to jump into another lockdown is understandable
 
You do know there's millions of people still being left out though Dave?

Luckily this time around it's not me, but it is a totally viable worry for people.

Nearly 3 million self-employed and freelancers - at a conservative estimate - have had no financial support though this. So people not wanting to jump into another lockdown is understandable
A lot of people are not working and therefore not getting the benefit of furlough because the killer clown failed to lockdown and offer help to businesses and employees earlier. So, it just underlines my call.
 
And Rishi Sunak is going to hike the tax (for self-employed) too.

I'm due to pay my tax for my 2019-20 earnings by Jan and God knows how I'm gonna have enough to pay that back. All I'm basically doing is paying back more than I got in universal credit help from the government this year
Yes but people are claiming who don't need it. They are benefitting financially from coronavirus. It's wrong.
 
A lot of people are not working and therefore not getting the benefit of furlough because the killer clown failed to lockdown and offer help to businesses and employees earlier. So, it just underlines my call.

Nothing to do with that.

Some self-employed people (millions) were never included in the first place and still won't be.

While I'm sure we can both agree that is on the government, there has been no sign of that changing, so people shouting lockdown like yourself and then criticising those who are against it for that reason isn't really on. You have to take everything into account, even when saying that it's ultimately down to the government.
 
Yes but people are claiming who don't need it. They are benefitting financially from coronavirus. It's wrong.

I know mate.

The second round of SEISS came in October. The third will be available soon.

I've not seen a penny and won't do. If I could, I would.

I understood why in April they had to roll it out as they did. They've had seven months to reassess and come up with a better way of doing it rather than just base it on tax years 16-19.

As it is, the people who didn't get help in April now also won't get help, yet ones who have got two rounds of help (and there will be plenty who are deserving of that too) will do.
 
A little good news : 13 out of 15 Wirral council wards have seen a reduction in cases compared to the previous week.

It does seem to have had a postive impact (the Tier system).

The annoyance is lockdown to some extent was still inevitable so why not do it in October and get ahead, and then introduce the Tier system.
 
Can you be forced to shield by your company and then be made to go sick, even if you are not sick or tested positive etc ?
This uses up your company sick entitlement, which you may actually need if you do become sick with something at a later date ?
 
I know mate.

The second round of SEISS came in October. The third will be available soon.

I've not seen a penny and won't do. If I could, I would.

I understood why in April they had to roll it out as they did. They've had seven months to reassess and come up with a better way of doing it rather than just base it on tax years 16-19.

As it is, the people who didn't get help in April now also won't get help, yet ones who have got two rounds of help (and there will be plenty who are deserving of that too) will do.
I'm PAYE, I pay my tax as I earn every month. The self employed already get a 'year in kind' by only paying tax on the previous year's earnings. If they don't set aside some money to pay their tax bill (which they should be anticipating), then they need to plan their finances better.

But my point was... The self employed, and I know because I know people who've done it, can claim 80 percent of their previous year's profit for free. Not a loan. Free money. Even if they are working as if Covid never happened. I asked someone who has already done it and his answer was "everyone is doing it".
 
I've lost count of the number of people who demanded to know from me (when I said the country needs locking down again) what the people laid off would do without cash, as "there'd be no more furlough".

Not that they'd own up to it. They tend to go missing when their views are found out to be spectacularly wrong.
Who will pay for it when this is over? I know it won’t be Boris and his chums. I expect my pension to get battered along with that of the majority of working class young people for years to come.
 
I'm PAYE, I pay my tax as I earn every month. The self employed already get a 'year in kind' by only paying tax on the previous year's earnings. If they don't set aside some money to pay their tax bill (which they should be anticipating), then they need to plan their finances better.

But my point was... The self employed, and I know because I know people who've done it, can claim 80 percent of their previous year's profit for free. Not a loan. Free money. Even if they are working as if Covid never happened. I asked someone who has already done it and his answer was "everyone is doing it".

Hmm...

I paid PAYE and self-assessment for four years, simultaneously. Went into full-time self-employment in April last year.

It's not always easy to set aside money for anything. I'm pretty good with it and had no issue paying my tax bill this January just gone, but I was paying it on far less profit than I made in 19-20, which I am due to pay in January.

Plus, you take on more risk being self-employed. Potentially for more reward, but work can easily dry up, plus you don't get sick days or holidays unless you're in a position where you can turn down work! That never happens, in theory, with PAYE (obviously pandemics aside). It's not an easy decision to make - you give up a lot and also the tax rates/national insurance I believe tend to be higher than PAYE (or at least in the lower brackets), which is why people claim what they can back in expenses.

I've had hardly any income this year yet I still have to pay a hefty tax bill. The savings I had put aside for that have been used to keep me going this year. I'm gonna have to scrimp and save all I can to pay my tax now. There's around 3 million people who are in the same position as I am and, guaranteed, a lot more in a worse position than me and that's a dreadful oversight from the governemnt who have now had time to think of a fairer system.

On your point though, yes, I know a lot of people have taken advantagege and that's not right. But then again, loads of people have benefitted from furlough for the last seven months, and done nothing for 80% of their wage. People can't discriminate because the situation came about and the government did a mass thing to try and cover people - though lots still fell through the gap.

I've had friends who have been on furlough for four or five months and will now be on furlough again. They've not spent any money so hardly missed that 20%, or conversely have had that 20% topped up by their employers anyway.
 
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