Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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OGG said:
He predicted 250k to 500k without serious restrictions. Pretty basic maths - 70% infected needed to reach herd immunity (if possible) * 68 million population * 0.5% to 1% case fatality rate.

What bit of that is wrong?

The economy was stuffed by Covid. Resolve this and the economy is less affected. See South Korea (and others) to see this in action.
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Sweden 10.4 million population, 0.5% to 1% case fatality rate = 52k to 100K ....

No serious restrictions introduced.

Actual deaths 5.9k

UK at the same death rate with no lockdown would have been 39k, actual 43k.

Ferguson sold the country and the economy down the river.....
 
BlueToff said:
We're all wearing masks, yet cases are still rising. Why weren't we told to wear masks in March? I'm not saying people can't wear them before that, but there was no ruling on it. All wishy washy.

Pulling some arbitrary number (six) out of their a**** doesn't seem scientific to me. And neither does a 10pm curfew over an 11pm last orders.

They've done some things right. The furlough scheme was well rolled out and, in the main, the SEISS one was too, albeit glaring holes.

But they've had five-six months to get properly organised for a second wave they knew would come, and they haven't done it. And their track and trace system is horrifically bad and, again, illogical.

I'm working in an office Monday and Tuesday. If one of the people I'm spending 8 hours a day with tests positive, I'll be told to carry on as normal, unless I get a text from track and trace which can take up to 9-10 days (though I would go get a test in that case to be sure).

If my housemate who I see maybe 3/4 times a week for 20/30 minutes at a time atm as we're working different hours around the clock, tests positive, then I have to isolate for 2 weeks regardless of whether I show symptoms.

There's glaring holes in the system and the way they're doing things, yet their answer has just been to lockdown entire regions or, doing even more damage, telling places to stay open but then insisting basically nobody can actually go to them anyway.
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Firstly, no, not everyone is wearing masks.

Secondly, like I keep pointing out, you do not need a rule to live in a COVID world as safely as possible. You don't need an app to tell you when you should/shouldn't self-isolate either.

There are holes in all systems of life and it is tiresome reading people say that as it's beyond obvious at this point.
 
peteblue said:
Sweden 10.4 million population, 0.5% to 1% case fatality rate = 52k to 100K ....

No serious restrictions introduced.

Actual deaths 5.9k

UK at the same death rate with no lockdown would have been 39k, actual 43k.

Ferguson sold the country and the economy down the river.....
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That's not true.

And comparing the UK to Sweden is comparing Apples and Oranges.

Nor does it give any insight into the Ferguson modelling, which as I've already pointed out, despite repeated assertions to the contrary, is pretty accurate.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
That's not true.

And comparing the UK to Sweden is comparing Apples and Oranges.

Nor does it give any insight into the Ferguson modelling, which as I've already pointed out, despite repeated assertions to the contrary, is pretty accurate.
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Ferguson is a snake oil salesman and you just bought half a dozen bottles.......
 
Just read the transcript of the Liverpool City Region leaders meeting where they gave their response to recent events: they are utterly the captives of business interests.

Their sole focus is on keeping businesses open. The likes of Anderson and Rotheram might talk a good talk about infection rates and hospital admissions, but it's clear from what they say about these 'restrictions' they'd leave everything open if they could. They're too busy trying to keep their own privileged provincial positions in tact. Public health is the last thing on their minds.
 
davek said:
Just read the transcript of the Liverpool City Region leaders meeting where they gave their response to recent events: they are utterly the captives of business interests.

Their sole focus is on keeping businesses open. The likes of Anderson and Rotheram might talk a good talk about infection rates and hospital admissions, but it's clear from what they say about these 'restrictions' they'd leave everything open if they could. They're too busy trying to keep their own privileged provincial positions in tact. Public health is the last thing on their minds.
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I am no fan of Anderson, and he's been completely out-thought and out-fought on this one.

With Merseyside being made an exception of, it was a gift-wrapped opportunity to fight The Man and the tories. But to do so would risk mass infection taking hold. But now he is being seen to bow to them, at the expense of the Liverpool economy. And he lacked the political nous to navigate this in the way that Burnham has.
 
orly said:
I am no fan of Anderson, and he's been completely out-thought and out-fought on this one.

With Merseyside being made an exception of, it was a gift-wrapped opportunity to fight The Man and the tories. But to do so would risk mass infection taking hold. But now he is being seen to bow to them, at the expense of the Liverpool economy. And he lacked the political nous to navigate this in the way that Burnham has.
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The whole thing's a sham. It's a fake confrontation. There's nothing to stop the hospitality sector in the region operating as before, with the exception of gyms (which Rotheram has given a reassurance will be open again asap), betting offices and casinos (and those latter two not being mass based activities).

The name of the game here should be to provide a protective shield around our communities most vulnerable. I dont want to hear Anderson and Rotheram beating their breasts about facing up to these clowns in power down in Westminster. They should be taking the lead on shutting down any sectors of the local economy / social sector which is spreading the virus on their patch. Instead they sound like they're to the right of Johnson in wanting the economy to be unfettered by restrictions.

If anyone was unaware of how far our local 'democracy' has been hollowed out they should just take a look at this sorry episode of the last week with those two chuckle heads Anderson and Rotheram.
 
peteblue said:
Just look at the numbers I put up and try and explain why they are so similar.... 39k, 43k.....
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I have. You're going to need to do better than that. You seem to be under the impression that Sweden introduced 'no serious restrictions' which is misleading for a variety of reasons - and comparing the two countries in the the way you are doing is a nonsense.

Either discuss the merits using actual information and quoting the specific parts you disagree with - even outline what the implications of Swedens approach would be applied to the UK or dont bother at all because all you're doing is spreading misinformation and blame.
 
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