Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[navidson]

Top 30 MSOA's by cases - I wonder what most of these have in common?

 

[Blues Harp]

Hindering people from exercising during a health crisis makes enormous sense....

The people making these decisions are so detached from reality. They have no grasp of the effect they are having on people's wellbeing.

Just wait for Brexit to add to our woes on top of all this pandemic confusion.

 

[Charro]

How long Tier 3 lockdown restrictions are set to last for

Further measures and closures will apply to the Liverpool City Region

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Asked about the closure of gyms, he said: "It would appear to me that some of these things - we asked for the evidence of course - some of these things are a judgment call.

"Our directors of public health have looked at this and they didn't push back greatly against the list (of places to close) and all we need to do now is if the Government can provide us with that scientific evidence that says that there are some outbreaks in gyms and other things that are on the list then we have to accept that.

So I and many of my colleagues wake up today to find we’re again out of work on the basis of a “judgement call”. Of course everyone here who still gets paid WFH I’m sure will be along to tell me how in a pandemic sacrifices have to be made.

I’m working from home and would never say that. Unfortunately there’s been instances in this thread of people saying you should just suck it up if you’re losing income or employment. These people are speaking from a position of privilege and refuse to see the impact this is having on a large part of the population.

We all have to make sacrifices but someone’s livelihood shouldn’t be sacrificed. There’s a way to protect lives and livelihoods. This government is doing neither.

 

[Deckard2049]

I’m working from home and would never say that. Unfortunately there’s been instances in this thread of people saying you should just suck it up if you’re losing income or employment. These people are speaking from a position of privilege and refuse to see the impact this is having on a large part of the population.

We all have to make sacrifices but someone’s livelihood shouldn’t be sacrificed. There’s a way to protect lives and livelihoods. This government is doing neither.

I was being unnecessarily snarky with the WFH comment so I apologise and want to make clear I don’t include you in that. I should have just said “the usual suspects”- we all know who they are. And when confronted with actual people losing their livelihoods they have nothing to say.

 

[Kenshin]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73777-8

This is a study from three different countries with different rates of infection .

It suggests that serious cares and deaths are age dependant. That even though the numbers of cases are different , the age of hospitalisation and death is pretty consistent.

It also repeats the number of anyone dying under 40 is barely anything across the three countries.

 

[davek]

This thread needs reading.

 

[davek]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73777-8

This is a study from three different countries with different rates of infection .

It suggests that serious cares and deaths are age dependant. That even though the numbers of cases are different , the age of hospitalisation and death is pretty consistent.

It also repeats the number of anyone dying under 40 is barely anything across the three countries.

A redundant point to make if those people then go on to infect older and vulnerable groups.

 

[Kenshin]

A redundant point to make if those people then go on to infect older and vulnerable groups.

If only there was a way to separate the old and young to prevent them passing it on?

 

[davek]

If only there was a way to separate the old and young to prevent them passing it on?

Yes, what would that be then?

 

[Kenshin]

Yes, what would that be then?

No idea Dave.

You know what I think, and you don't agree with it lol

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Now now boys, here's the point you are missing .

That estimation of positive tests based on a sample is what they call a model. So scientists use that rough estimation to plan to a certain number of cases. As they have no idea what the number is, that's the model they have chosen to work from.

However

When the likes of you are repeating that same estimated model as fact as if that is how many were positive then you are quoting essentially made up numbers and using them as real.

So that x% of the population isn't scientists telling us how many , that's just a framework for their thought process. Just because newspapers decided to print that information for the likes of us to read it, it's kinda silly to then repeat that information as fact.

Because it is just guesswork.

Physically testing 100,000 people isn’t a model though. That level of sample size provides data that can be extrapolated with a high degree of certainty and the error margins are small.

All you’re doing here is refusing to accept reality as it doesn’t suit your chosen narrative. based on a complete lack of understanding of how stuff actually works.

If you want to stubbornly believe your standpoint here and refuse to accept any compelling evidence to the contrary then I can’t help you I’m afraid.

 

[davek]

No idea Dave.

You know what I think, and you don't agree with it lol

So you advocate under 40s being allowed free movement, then you intimate that older people and vulnerable people can be kept apart from that younger demographic and not have the virus transmitted to themselves, then you decide that you dont know how it can be done?

Thank you.

 

[Billy Dean]

So you advocate under 40s being allowed free movement, then you intimate that older people and vulnerable people can be kept apart from that younger demographic and not have the virus transmitted to themselves, then you decide that you dont know how it can be done?

Thank you.

He doesn't know how it can be done because it isn't possible.

 

[Kenshin]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...coronavirus-82-4-years-writes-DAVID-ROSE.html

The average age of people who died from Covid-19 in England and Wales since the pandemic began is 82.4, the Daily Mail can reveal.

That figure – computed from Office of National Statistics data by experts at Oxford University – is significantly higher than the average age reached by people recorded as dying from all other causes, which is 81.5.

Interesting, the average age of covid death is almost the same as average age of death anyway. Does that not count for something?

The study by Oxford’s Centre for Evidence Based Medicine also suggests that fewer than six people per thousand who get coronavirus now are likely to die from it.

Self explanatory

The figures also show that currently 40 per cent of those who die from Covid are over 85, and a further 33 per cent are between 75 and 84.

73% are 75 and over. So very much age specific


This is some of the real information being ignored.

 

[Billy Dean]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...coronavirus-82-4-years-writes-DAVID-ROSE.html



Interesting, the average age of covid death is almost the same as average age of death anyway. Does that not count for something?



Self explanatory



73% are 75 and over. So very much age specific


This is some of the real information being ignored.

None of that is being ignored.