Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Huge errors were made on all sides as ministers were left floundering by only really being prepared for a flu like pandemic (which tbf was always by far (and I mean a long way for countries in Western Europe) the most probable) by the time China had it and eventually deemed it prudent to let the world know how contagious it might be, (even then not releasing the true extent), the funds had been allocated and the reaction far too slow.

Public health organisations such as public health England are invariably notoriously slow to react to changing circumstances, have finite funds and would probably have spent all targeting the most likely problem, a new and deadly strain of flu. They grind towards change and on the whole won't have the most dynamic management, but the preparation for attack from another quarter, despite WHO reports, won't have been easily coped with even with far greater prior notice. It's the far greater R rate with Covid that meant all their preparations (for flu) were absolutely useless in coping with a Coronavirus.

Without preparations in place and so much uncertainty from scientists towards how a new virus, albeit a Coronavirus, in the same grouping as MERS and SARS, might react to a highly populated country, and how quickly it might spread, any notion of the NHS being overwhelmed and some, would have to have brought a massive reaction, even if as it turned out, it was a massive worst case scenario, and then some, from Professor Ferguson that triggered it. it wouldn't have been easy to make correct decisions and without the industrial and chemical base of Germany, impossible to follow the best example in Western Europe and achieve similar results. They would have been far better had they gone full on earlier, and absolutely made the right decision, but far, far worse than Germany too, even then. Inherent major disadvantages like a very densely populated country would also work massively against us.

With so much confusion and lack of preparation it's not surprising dreadful errors were made by people trying to cope with something they had no preparation for, no materials or capacity to be able to cope with, and without the crucial benefit of hindsight advising them exactly which option would work and which was useless or far too ambitious.

Judging with the truth of hindsight always highlights the worst errors and makes them chasms, while less serious errors become massive and tiny ones huge.

With the rate falling now it has to be right to open up the economy, there are still real errors to my mind being made in that it's not fast enough, sports gyms and some outdoor sports should have been given the go ahead, why huge indoor gyms can't cope like department stores or cricket like golf can't continue, each bowler could use his own ball at junior level with fielders having hand gel, is ridiculous - but perhaps more importantly there are many more businesses that could open too.

They can never have another universal shutdown, this achieved it's purpose but it can be seen as a sledgehammer response that causes untold long-term damage, no wonder with the information available at the time, it was with perhaps too much reluctance they eventually brought the shutters down. A few weeks earlier and we now know the likely difference, I'm not so sure everyone did then.
 
Meat packing factories have been the places where there has been significant outbreaks within the past few weeks.

Thich are cold, cavernous spaces, have people undergoing heavy exertion, perspiring and breathing heavily, in relatively close proximity to each other for fairly significant amounts of time, touching multiple different surfaces Wich are not cleaned in between and people are more likely to touch their face and mouth.

See any similarities with a gym?
 
53% tested positive for antibodies in this firm's private testing:

I suspect there'll be quite a few little pockets which are effectively close to having herd immunity. Mostly they'll consist of workplaces which havn't practised social distancing.

How much?

Say what you see Fred

900

So that's thirty quid

@peteblue, how are you doing with your GDPR compliance for the details you'll be expected to gather of everyone entering your pub?

Not as difficult as it sounds.
Basically, keep the info secure, and don't keep it for longer than necessary, so destroy it after 14 days.

we will burn the sign in page after 21 days......

Good man, you're not as stupid as you sometimes appear.





xxx
 
Why do they even eat dogs anyway? Isn't it easier to breed chickens and cows.

I have no idea, but it`s beyond barbaric and it seems that the Great Bunch of Lads have learnt no lessons from ground zero. Plus it`s now supposed to be illegal too.

What surprised me more was that South Koreans also eat them too.

I`ve always thought of them as much more Liberal and Westernised than the Great Bunch of Lads.

I can`t watch it, as it upsets me so much.

* A global charity - Network for Animals, have people on the ground out there trying to stop it and save the dogs by buying them off the traders and rehoming them.
 
I have no idea, but it`s beyond barbaric and it seems that the Great Bunch of Lads have learnt no lessons from ground zero. Plus it`s now supposed to be illegal too.

What surprised me more was that South Koreans also eat them too.

I`ve always thought of them as much more Liberal and Westernised than the Great Bunch of Lads.

I can`t watch it, as it upsets me so much.

* A global charity - Network for Animals, have people on the ground out there trying to stop it and save the dogs by buying them off the traders and rehoming them.

I thought it was only one/some wet markets being outlawed recently not them all? It's ingrained in their society now and China don't want to admit it started there so if they did make them all illegal it's like they're admitting that was the issue in the first place.

I think I possibly unexpectedly ate dog in Vietnam when we went to more backstreet "dining" spots. I understand why really poor countries like Cambodia eat rats, snakes etc. because they just can't afford anything else but dogs? Doesn't even look like there's a lot of meat on them. Baffles me really as dogs breed just the same as any other edible animal breeds haha.
 
On indoor gyms.

There's obviously a risk there of people breathing heavily and exhaling virus which isn't present so much in other indoor environments. But that risk can be mitigated by distancing and partitioning.

Also, over the summer especially, increased ventilation by such simple measures as opening doors and windows would help, so, though @Tea_drinker sometimes comes across as a whiny bish, that's not, in itself, a reason for keeping all gyms shut for the duration. So some risk will doubtless have to be accepted, and some gyms will be able to re-open fairly soon.
 
I thought it was only one/some wet markets being outlawed recently not them all? It's ingrained in their society now and China don't want to admit it started there so if they did make them all illegal it's like they're admitting that was the issue in the first place.

I think I possibly unexpectedly ate dog in Vietnam when we went to more backstreet "dining" spots. I understand why really poor countries like Cambodia eat rats, snakes etc. because they just can't afford anything else but dogs? Doesn't even look like there's a lot of meat on them. Baffles me really as dogs breed just the same as any other edible animal breeds haha.

I know in parts of Africa the young lads eat them as folklore and tradition says it gives them strength.

I can at least get my head around that, but not what the Great Bunch of Lads get up to with them.
 
I know in parts of Africa the young lads eat them as folklore and tradition says it gives them strength.

I can at least get my head around that, but not what the Great Bunch of Lads get up to with them.
I always thought that’s why Chinese food was hot and spicy etc.
To hide the fact the meat is actually cheap and minging.
 
I suspect there'll be quite a few little pockets which are effectively close to having herd immunity. Mostly they'll consist of workplaces which havn't practised social distancing.

Say what you see Fred

Not as difficult as it sounds.
Basically, keep the info secure, and don't keep it for longer than necessary, so destroy it after 14 days.

Good man, you're not as stupid as you sometimes appear.
xxx

21 days.....
 
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