Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

I think it’s hard when you’ve been in lockdown for three months and you’re in your teens or twenties and half the media are saying it’s only a disease that really impacts the old, and lots of reports are calling for a reduction in social distancing.

They’re not doing the right thing obviously, but younger generations are losing a lot to save the older generations in the main, with little visible benefit to themselves.

Personally think it’s a disgrace that somebody like Nike doesn’t have more thought for the safety of people, either by refusing to reopen or at least having a considerable number of paid security turning people away once the queue gets over a couple of dozen people. They’re not a business who is struggling to survive...

Parts of London like Oxford street were always going to be a s__t show.

Ok. That's fair comment.

I can totally get that if we were talking about the slightly younger generation. But these are older and should really behave with more responsibility in my opinion. They may not be at risk from the disease itself, but they are all at risk from the economic fallout of a serious second wave.

Agree about NIKE though. There was one young girl on her own trying to control that lot.

 

[BlueStevie35]

33 hospital deaths announced by the NHS, down 4 on yesterday and 29 on last Monday. 28 were in English hospitals, one up on yesterday and down 31 on last Monday with 25 happening within the past 10 days

 

[Barnfred 55]

Shocking scones

Don't tell me they were putting the jam on first?. 'kin murderers the lot of them.

 

[orchard]

Just seen this on the lunchtime news. These are predominantly young people and social distancing is just none existent here. Coming on the back of the raves in Manchester and Leeds over the weekend, plus the various demonstrations around the country over the last couple of weeks which also involved predominantly young people, are the youth in this country giving up on the fight against covid-19.?

Even down here, where social distancing rules have been pretty much complied with, I have noticed over the last couple of weeks that more groups of youths are gathering and students seem to be returning to the area just in time for the pubs reopening. The local Asda was like freshers last week with groups blocking aisles with trollies full of beer.

If they are behaving like this with social distancing, I'm wondering what their attitude to test and trace is going to be? Will they comply with isolation? Will they even bother getting tested? or download the app if it ever gets introduced.?

Do they have any understanding that their actions are risking a second wave of the virus? Do they even care given that it won't have a serious effect on them personally?

It's all very worrying to see scene like these when the country is trying to introduce an organised and safe exit from the lockdown.

No idea mate, maybe they're using their initiative regarding government advice and 'guidelines', following the example and gravity of our leaders?

 

[Harryflashman]

No idea mate, maybe they're using their initiative regarding government advice and 'guidelines', following the example and gravity of our leaders?

the government allow free movement with the lockdown and tell people they can go anywhere they want and they flock to beaches , they allow the fast food places to open and people line up in the drive through to buy a burger and they open the non-essential shops and people queue to buy trainers or cheap clobber and in every case people seem to go apoplectic or at least sneery about It .

if these places shouldn’t be open then lobby the government and the PM and tell them not to open . If they’re allowed to open or travel freely then they’ve every right to do so . It’s not people’s fault if they do what they’re allowed to do . It like shouting at people for doing 40 in a 40 when there is an accident , they’re doing nothing wrong , if the speed is dangerous then change the limit .

 

[spectateur]

is that a queue from today? for Nike?

Looks like downtown Atlanta. Surely not UK?

 

[zzr45]

Everyone else is looking at their masks and faces mate, not their arses. How's the Mrs.?

I was just wondering if it’s a case where the Standard is making it look like there’s loads more people there than there actually is. Something like a pole going through a lads leg is interesting.

She’s good! Being back at work and away from her a bit of the day is good, sure we both enjoy it.

 

[Harryflashman]

I was just wondering if it’s a case where the Standard is making it look like there’s loads more people there than there actually is. Something like a pole going through a lads leg is interesting.

I thought it was one of those extendable belt barriers like at passport control and the lad was just leaning against it . I’m probably wrong like

 

[spectateur]

I'd rather be in the centre of the Chernobyl sarcophagus than in JD Sports right now.

You'd have a fighting chance in the former.

You know, I can't really understand these people.
You can bet many of them have been doing blm and anti slaver demos in the past few days.
Don't they realise that the stuff JD sell at exhobitant prices is made by modern day slaves in poor countries where they work long hours for barely enough pay to feed themselves.

 

[orchard]

I was just wondering if it’s a case where the Standard is making it look like there’s loads more people there than there actually is. Something like a pole going through a lads leg is interesting.

She’s good! Being back at work and away from her a bit of the day is good, sure we both enjoy it.

You replaced the other job then?

 

[gonetomorrow]

You know, I can't really understand these people.
You can bet many of them have been doing blm and anti slaver demos in the past few days.
Don't they realise that the stuff JD sell at exhobitant prices is made by modern day slaves in poor countries where they work long hours for barely enough pay to feed themselves.

Yeh but NTM - Nike Trainers Matter.

 

[zzr45]

You replaced the other job then?

Yep was only out a job a week!

 

[Barnfred 55]

No idea mate, maybe they're using their initiative regarding government advice and 'guidelines', following the example and gravity of our leaders?

Mate, I've been up there with the rest of you in my criticism of the Tories as regards the Cummings debacle, which is what I assume you are referring to. But at the end of the day that one act doesn't absolve every other person in this country of personal responsibility.

If people continue to use that as an excuse to do what they want for evermore we all might as well just pack up and go home.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Getting confused now.

A week or so ago, the R in the South West was nibbling at 1, mainly due to an outbreak at Weston Hospital. (North Somerset).

Today, its been announced there were zero cases between Friday and Sunday just gone, in North Somerset, and 17 across the South West. (Includes Gloucester, Cheltenham, Bristol and Bath).

That's quite possible mate, if the majority of transmission was down to the hospital at Weston, then as soon as that comes under control, R, and the number of infections drops off a cliff.

Both R and the number of infections are important, but it's the combination which is crucial. Some simple examples can illustrate that

Say R is 1.5, and you start with 20 people infected. So they infect 30 people and you end up with 50 people infected. If they're pretty much all in one location, then you effectively shut it down until there's no transmission, and R drops significantly.

But if you have an R of 1.5 in the community, and start with 1000 infected people, then they infect 1500 people and you end up 2500 people infected, which is harder to control, so the first example is nowhere near as dangerous.

Worse than either of those would be an R of 1.1 starting with 10,000 infected people. They'd infect 11,000 people, and you'd end up with 21,000 people infected with little chance ( apart from lockdown ) of controlling the situation.

TL;DR ?

R a bit above 1 with a few, localised, infections should be easy to control and isn't too bad.

R a bit above 1 with lots of infections in a fairly large area is much harder to control and so is much more dangerous.

 

[roydo]

That's quite possible mate, if the majority of transmission was down to the hospital at Weston, then as soon as that comes under control, R, and the number of infections drops off a cliff.

Both R and the number of infections are important, but it's the combination which is crucial. Some simple examples can illustrate that

Say R is 1.5, and you start with 20 people infected. So they infect 30 people and you end up with 50 people infected. If they're pretty much all in one location, then you effectively shut it down until there's no transmission, and R drops significantly.

But if you have an R of 1.5 in the community, and start with 1000 infected people, then they infect 1500 people and you end up 2500 people infected, which is harder to control, so the first example is nowhere near as dangerous.

Worse than either of those would be an R of 1.1 starting with 10,000 infected people. They'd infect 11,000 people, and you'd end up with 21,000 people infected with little chance ( apart from lockdown ) of controlling the situation.

TL;DR ?

R a bit above 1 with a few, localised, infections should be easy to control and isn't too bad.

R a bit above 1 with lots of infections in a fairly large area is much harder to control and so is much more dangerous.

Makes perfect sense. Ta.

edit. iirc the actual numbers of infections at Weston was less than 30, all staff, so "easily" contained swiftly.

Thats TTI without the gizmo I guess.