Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm sure they have good reason to be protesting, but it's safe enough to have protests there...they should maybe reflect on that too.

It's possible that just six of them will turn up of course.

 

[Tea_drinker]

As an aside, there's a protest being planned in Czech against the way their government have handled the crisis. The main beef of the organisers, who also organised the protest against Babis last year, is that not enough financial support was given and the state suckled up too quickly to the Chinese. I suppose it shows that even if a government receive general support internationally, through the domestic lens, they can still garner opposition.

Now if only anyone internationally looked on us with envy

People have suffered throughout the east of Europe. There was no furlough or public money for people in Bulgaria for example. Maybe the ex commies are prepared to suffer more than us.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

People have suffered throughout the east of Europe. There was no furlough or public money for people in Bulgaria for example. Maybe the ex commies are prepared to suffer more than us.

In power distance terms, there is perhaps a greater willingness to defer to the state in such matters, but yes, equally the welfare state is often far less generous than in many western countries. It seems in Czech, at least, that their overall rate of infections has remained very low, which has resulted in few deaths. At the moment, they seem to be opening up internationally mainly to other eastern countries (they announced today that holidays to Croatia will be allowed, and Croatia themselves have said borders will open to 10 other, mainly eastern, states) that have had a similar level of exposure to the virus. That's great in one sense, but economically they can't sustain that, and have developed precious little 'herd immunity' during the first wave, so you sense they're relying on the virus being a one wave pony to get through this. Time will tell if that is actually the case.

 

[BlueStevie35]

173 hospital deaths announced for today, one up on last Friday and 41 down on yesterday. 149 were in English hospitals, down 36 on yesterday with 134 happening within the last 10 days

 

[LinekersLegs]

The rest of that report is well worth reading - I mentioned the testing bit earlier in the week (Istanbul alone has more field testers than the entire UK will have, and they are working now rather than just launching) so thanks for the rest of it.

Coronavirus: How Turkey took control of Covid-19 emergency

Even without imposing a total lockdown, Turkey seems to have handled the outbreak well.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hope there is an analysis paper soon on their treatment regime.

Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit - whose art work is on the hospital walls - says it's key to use hydroxychloroquine early. "Other countries are using this drug too late," he says, "especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it's effective because we get the results."

On a tour of the hospital, adding and subtracting protective layers as we go, he explains that Turkey's approach is to "get ahead of the virus", by treating early and treating aggressively. They use hydroxychloroquine and other drugs, along with blood plasma and oxygen in high concentrations.

 

[COYBL25]

173 hospital deaths announced for today, one up on last Friday and 41 down on yesterday. 149 were in English hospitals, down 36 on yesterday with 134 happening within the last 10 days

So it would appear that we’re not in the second wave ( yet ), as a few of the experts on here have said over the past couple of days

 

[BlueStevie35]

So it would appear that we’re not in the second wave ( yet ), as a few of the experts on here have said over the past couple of days

Hospital deaths have been pretty much up and down, as long as the rolling average stays under 200 we are on the right track

The next step is keeping care home deaths under 200 to keep the overall rolling average down, if that falls under 200 (its at around 250 now) then it’s all good

 

[Goat]

Europes shame.

 

[Goat]

So it would appear that we’re not in the second wave ( yet ), as a few of the experts on here have said over the past couple of days

I dont think we need to worry about a 2nd wave, the 5th wave on the other hand might be a doozy.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

England's latest figures

NHS England has announced 149 new deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 26,383.

Of the 149 new deaths announced today:

– 36 occurred on May 28
– 59 occurred on May 27
– 17 occurred on May 26

The figures also show 30 of the new deaths took place between May 3 and May 25, six deaths occurred in April, with the remaining one death taking place on March 19.

NHS England releases updated figures each day showing the dates of every coronavirus-related death in hospitals in England, often including previously uncounted deaths that took place several days or even weeks ago. This is because of the time it takes for deaths to be confirmed as testing positive for Covid-19, for post-mortem examinations to be processed and for data from the tests to be validated.

The figures published on Friday by NHS England show April 8 continues to have the highest number for the most hospital deaths on a single day, with a current total of 893.

 

[davek]

Even one of the nodding dogs at SAGE are calling easing the lockdown a bad decision.


A scientist on the UK government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) has suggested he does not agree with easing the lockdown at this stage.

In a briefing to health journalists Prof John Edmunds, from the London School of Tropical Hygiene and Medicine, said that 8,000 new infections a day in England, as calculated by the Office for National Statistics, was “a very high incidence” level.

"Many of us would prefer to see incidence down to lower levels before we relax measures," he said.

He said that with an "untested" test and trace system "we are taking some risk here" and "even if we keep it flat, that’s still quite a level".

“Lifting the lockdown is a political decision. Lifting it now, means we’re keeping incidence at this level," he added.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Even one of the nodding dogs at SAGE are calling easing the lockdown a bad decision.


A scientist on the UK government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) has suggested he does not agree with easing the lockdown at this stage.

In a briefing to health journalists Prof John Edmunds, from the London School of Tropical Hygiene and Medicine, said that 8,000 new infections a day in England, as calculated by the Office for National Statistics, was “a very high incidence” level.

"Many of us would prefer to see incidence down to lower levels before we relax measures," he said.

He said that with an "untested" test and trace system "we are taking some risk here" and "even if we keep it flat, that’s still quite a level".

“Lifting the lockdown is a political decision. Lifting it now, means we’re keeping incidence at this level," he added.

I thought the scientists weren't allowed to talk about political matters?

 

[davek]

Greece opening up for tourist business again. The countries they'll take tourists from:

The countries are: Germany, Austria, Denmark, Norway, Cyprus, Israel, Switzerland, Japan, Malta, Bulgaria, China, Croatia, Australia, New Zealand, North Macedonia, Albania, Estonia, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Hungary, South Korea, Serbia, Montenegro, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Finland.

Let's face it, if they weren't taking from France or Spain - countries getting into decent shape post (proper) lockdown they were never going to allow people in from the UK Banana Republic after its phoney lockdown.

 

[davek]

I thought the scientists weren't allowed to talk about political matters?

Looks like one is so concerned a second wave is weeks away they've broke ranks and exercised their conscience. Maybe more will find their own testicles and follow suit.

This is madness. I implore everyone to ignore the relaxation of the lockdown and remain vigilant. Dont let the murderers con you into a false sense of security. They dont care if you or yours live or die...we KNOW this.

 

[roydo]

I aint doing anything different mate. As in what I have done these last god knows how many weeks.