Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Why is that a different number to what is being reported?

It's getting silly now. It's under 40000 officially but your link says 44000?
It's like when the Government boasted about it's PPE supply figures, turns out they count each glove as one piece of PPE, when have you ever bought gloves one at a time?, blatant cooking of the books.

It's to do with spin, lies, and bias in Government reporting to fiddle the figures to make them look better, trust the ONS, they don't do this, and remember the current figures are 12 days behind, only showing up till 7th May.
 
When asked by an SNP MP if he would raise the pay for all care workers to the living wage as in Scotland. Hancock said he's, 'very proud of care workers getting the living wage'. I think he hasn't a clue what's going on in the real world.

Pay rates - Skills for Care
www.skillsforcare.org.uk › publications › Topics › Pay...



"The proportion of care workers being paid on the wage floor has increased since the introduction of the NLW, rising from 17% of care workers being paid the minimum rate in March 2016 to 28% in March 2019.
  • Around a quarter (25%) of care workers were paid on or above the Real Living Wage (set by the Living Wage Foundation) in September 2012, but this figure has slowly fallen to just over 10% in March 2019.
  • Around 83% of adult social care organisations in the independent sector in March 2019 were paying at least some of their workers below the next mandatory NLW (£8.21) and will therefore be directly affected by its introduction.
 
It's not only common sense but human decency to want to care for the health of the elderly. The NHS is an organisation that was set up to provide care for all which included those in care homes. The tragic deaths in care homes, in the community was/is a sign that the NHS was overwhelmed. To clear out hospitals, so there were beds available for the anticipated increase in those affected by coronavirus, meant those moving into care homes and into the community would spread the virus if they had it. By not testing those leaving hospital was a deliberate strategy, as was forcing care homes to take in those who had coronavirus, and was negligence in the extreme..N o wonder relatives and care home managers and providers are furious with the government and hospitals.
They've thrown OAP's in care homes under the bus, no two ways about it, anybody returning to a care home should have been quarantined and tested, Germany knew the extreme risks, they did the right thing, it's unthinkable to just put them back in with no precautions to infect the rest of the home where they live.
 
That shows the majority are working remotely, teaching online.

Not really

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It seems primarily to be sending students worksheets or directing them to apps that were already in use for homework assignments anyway. That 4x as many state teachers have done none of these things than their peers in private schools is perhaps why private schools can remain shut?
 
Agency staff were spreading Covid-19 between care homes, PHE found in April

Temporary care workers transmitted Covid-19 between care homes as cases surged, according to an unpublished government study, which used genome tracking to investigate outbreaks.

In evidence that raises further questions about ministers’ claims to have “thrown a protective ring around care homes”, it emerged that agency workers – often employed on zero-hours contracts – unwittingly spread the infection as the pandemic grew, according to the study by Public Health England (PHE).

The genome-tracking research into the behaviour of the virus in six care homes in London found that, in some cases, workers who transmitted coronavirus had been drafted in to cover for care home staff who were self-isolating expressly to prevent the vulnerable people they look after from becoming infected.

At least 22,000 people are estimated to have died in care homes in England and Wales directly or indirectly from Covid-19. While the peak appears to have passed, the crisis is far from over for the country’s 400,000 care home residents, with some providers reporting fresh outbreaks and hospitalisations at the weekend.

During flu pandemic planning in 2018, a report from social care directors warned ministers that frontline care workers would need advice on “controlling cross-infection”. A 2019 PHE document about flu pandemic preparations called “Infection prevention and control: an outbreak information pack for care homes” urged operators to “try to avoid moving staff between homes and floors”.

But the DHSC’s social care plan, published on 16 April, mentions nothing about restricting staff movements between homes in its chapter on “controlling the spread of infection in care homes”.

Results from the PHE study, conducted over Easter weekend from 11 to 13 April, have been known about inside the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) since at least the end of last month, but were only circulated last week to care home providers, councils and local directors of public health.

It was referenced as part of a £600m infection control plan, which adult social care directors said came “tragically late in the day” given the peak of deaths in care homes appeared to have already passed.

The study warned: "infection is spreading from care home to care home, linked to changed patterns of staffing, working across and moving between homes.” The infection could be introduced by “bank staff” – floating workers used to fill temporary vacancies in different homes – it said, adding that workers were often asymptomatic so “by the time local health protection teams are informed of an outbreak substantial transmission may already have occurred”.

The existence of the study was flagged to care operators and councils last week when the care minister, Helen Whately, announced details of a £600m “infection control fund” for care homes to allow providers to pay extra to carers who normally work in several homes in exchange for working in only one facility.

The new plan to cut infection rates in care settings included instructions to councils and operators to “take all possible steps to minimise staff movement between care homes, to stop infection spreading between locations” and that “subject to maintaining safe staffing levels, providers should employ staff to work at a single location”

The £600m funding is “intended to help providers pay for additional staff and/or maintain the normal wages of staff who, in order to reduce the spread of infection, need to reduce the number of establishments in which they work”


Documents seen by the Guardian show that on 30 April, shortly after a sharp rise of 4,300 care home deaths in a fortnight in England and Wales, DHSC officials had drafted plans for “comprehensive infection prevention and control measures” in care homes. These included measures “minimising the extent to which care workers are moving between different units”. However, they were not published until last Thursday – a fortnight later.

In the meantime, at least another 2,500 people died in English care homes, according to the Office for National Statistics. Last week, Boris Johnson admitted there had been “an appalling epidemic in care homes”.

DHSC said it would not comment on leaked documents and said the study would be published shortly.It stressed that it started working on new guidance and funding as soon as it received early results from the report.

“We are working around the clock to make sure care homes, and our frontline social care workforce, are getting the support they need to protect their residents and tackle coronavirus,” a spokesperson said. “Our help to care homes, which includes financial support, infection control training and supplies of PPE, has meant that two-thirds of England’s care homes have had no outbreak at all.”

The DHSC also examined three US studies of care home outbreaks showing high levels of transmission by asymptomatic carriers and staff members working in more than one facility. A report published in March about an outbreak in February at a home in Washington state where 23 people died found “staff members working in multiple facilities contributed to intra- and inter-facility spread”

Care operators have been increasingly reliant on flexible workers to fill shifts, with absence rates caused by self-isolation among permanent staff running as high as 25% at the peak of outbreaks.

Until recent weeks, shortages of PPE exacerbated concerns that care staff risked spreading the illness and family members have complained of loved ones put at risk by care workers travelling to and from work without changing clothes.

Vic Rayner, the executive director of the National Care Forum, which represents charitable care providers, said: “Staff have always been extremely concerned with the potential for spreading the virus. It would be the last thing any of them want to do."

“They have been putting the wellbeing of the people they are caring for above themselves. Good care homes have been implementing restrictions on movement from day one and have been buying out agency staff at their own cost [so they only work in one home].

“The challenge here is they are looking for restrictions on movement when we are already running with a high level of vacancies in the sector, people self-isolating with symptoms and now the roll out of testing of asymptomatic staff which will increase the numbers self-isolating again.”
Again, there needs to be questions about if things, such as this, are also contributing to the spread of flu’s colds etc each year. There should be a complete overhaul of the standards and better enforcement as clearly something is very wrong.
 
Unbelievable, what a moron Hancock is.

"In response, health secretary Hancock said: “She raises the question of discharges, and I understand the questions that have been asked about discharges into care. It’s important to remember that hospital can be a dangerous place for people, as well as saving lives. It also can carry risks and does and so it is appropriate… in many cases for people to be discharged from hospital and safer for them to go to a care home". .

According to Hancock, he was doing the elderly a favour by taking them out of a 'dangerous' environment - the hospital - and put them in care homes without proper care, without proper and sufficient PPE and without enough care workers.

If hospitals are that dangerous why doesn't he close them down and why did he want to build Nightingale hospitals if he knew they were so dangerous?
 
Unbelievable, what a moron Hancock is.

"In response, health secretary Hancock said: “She raises the question of discharges, and I understand the questions that have been asked about discharges into care. It’s important to remember that hospital can be a dangerous place for people, as well as saving lives. It also can carry risks and does and so it is appropriate… in many cases for people to be discharged from hospital and safer for them to go to a care home". .

According to Hancock, he was doing the elderly a favour by taking them out of a 'dangerous' environment - the hospital - and put them in care homes without proper care, without proper and sufficient PPE and without enough care workers.

If hospitals are that dangerous why doesn't he close them down and why did he want to build Nightingale hospitals if he knew they were so dangerous?

In America, the CDC estimate 1.7 million hospital acquired infections occur each year, resulting in around 90,000 deaths. That doesn't suggest that transfers shouldn't be made as safely as possible, but the notion that hospitals are going to be places where you're quite likely to pick up things shouldn't be that unusual. Indeed, the fear of doing just that is a major reason why fewer people have gone to hospital during the pandemic, even when they really should have.
 
Germany, every person returning to a care home after getting better from treatment in a hospital went into quarantine for 14 days and then tested before being returned to a care home.

They have a fraction of the deaths we have in care homes.

Just common sense isn't it.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/12/germ-m12.html

According to figures from the Robert Koch Institute released on April 23, around 1,500 residents of retirement and nursing homes had died of a coronavirus infection. At that time, this amounted to almost a third of all COVID-19 deaths in Germany and the number of unreported cases is certainly much higher.

There are no official statistics on confirmed coronavirus cases in homes for the elderly and there is no proper register of cases in outpatient care. Around 800,000 people live in retirement and nursing homes in Germany.

If you want to knock the government, fair enough, they have made some big mistakes but you're not even trying to be balanced or fair. Germany aren't dealing with care homes well either. That's no excuse for what's happened here but like many on here you're just anti government and have no intention of being fair or balanced. ;)
 
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/12/germ-m12.html





If you want to knock the government, fair enough, they have made some big mistakes but you're not even trying to be balanced or fair. Germany aren't dealing with care homes well either. That's no excuse for what's happened here but like many on here you're just anti government and have no intention of being fair or balanced. ;)
We have 44,000 deaths, over 42% are in care homes, so Germany have 1,500 deaths and we have close to like 20k, like the report said on the news an hour ago, they have a fraction of our deaths in care homes, because from the start they were quarantining and testing.
 
We have 44,000 deaths, over 42% are in care homes, so Germany have 1,500 deaths and we have close to like 20k, like the report said on the news an hour ago, they have a fraction of our deaths in care homes, because from the start they were quarantining and testing.

"There are no official statistics on confirmed coronavirus cases in homes for the elderly and there is no proper register of cases in outpatient care." in Germany.

They're skewing the figures, and this shows why you can't compare between countries easily when they're all reporting on different criteria.
 
It's like when the Government boasted about it's PPE supply figures, turns out they count each glove as one piece of PPE, when have you ever bought gloves one at a time?, blatant cooking of the books.

It's to do with spin, lies, and bias in Government reporting to fiddle the figures to make them look better, trust the ONS, they don't do this, and remember the current figures are 12 days behind, only showing up till 7th May.
What I mean is that the official number being told to us is under 40k now. May be 40k once they announce the third version of the death numbers later today.

There are several different amounts at any given day being communicated. Including a now larger number than the official total.
 
In America, the CDC estimate 1.7 million hospital acquired infections occur each year, resulting in around 90,000 deaths. That doesn't suggest that transfers shouldn't be made as safely as possible, but the notion that hospitals are going to be places where you're quite likely to pick up things shouldn't be that unusual. Indeed, the fear of doing just that is a major reason why fewer people have gone to hospital during the pandemic, even when they really should have.

Hancock is using a headline from the media as a response to cover his back. Care homes are not hospitals, care homes are not nursing homes with qualified nurses, care homes are not equipped to deal with those that fall so ill they need proper treatment. Many many care homes are under staffed and use agency workers if they turn up. So care homes aren't a safe place to move elderly people to compared to a hospital. Clearing out hospitals of the elderly and vulnerable will be seen as the reason why care homes became the epicentre of the virus and was/is a sign that the NHS was overwhelmed.

On your point about not using hospitals during this time.

https://bit.ly/361HdMe

"These data do not confirm a reduction in ambulance callouts for our two tracer health conditions. Although we cannot exclude such an effect, any effect must be of small magnitude. The COVID-19 pandemic might be associated with negative collateral health effects, but we find no evidence that people are reluctant to call an ambulance when they experience symptoms of stroke or heart attack". Of course, data could have changed since April.
 
Germany, every person returning to a care home after getting better from treatment in a hospital went into quarantine for 14 days and then tested before being returned to a care home.

They have a fraction of the deaths we have in care homes.

Just common sense isn't it.

This is what we are doing in US. My grandma had to go to the hospital. The home required a negative test before they would let her come back. She's been in isolation and has just had another negative test. She'll be off isolation at the end of the week.
 
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