His refusal to climb into the gutter might be viewed as naive but deserves far more credit than it will be given by the condescending political dynamos on here
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ForeverBlue92
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Doubt it mate you can ring the NHS but at present I feel I would be wasting there time as im managing alright - eating/drinking normally and just sat watching tv lol dont feel unwell at all apart from being a little tired yesterday and woke up sweating last night despite having a fan on and being in my boxers but dont feel like a fever.
If I start struggling to breathe I'll ring the NHS helpline like but I imagine there are people in far worse condition at the moment than me!
Billy Dean
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Get well soon mate
tsubaki
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Hannibal ultimately lost the Second Punic War and ended up in exile. Are you saying he wasn’t a genius?
You’re clearly right about politicians all telling lies, indeed almost everyone does.
For me though, the difference with someone like Johnson, or Trump for that matter, is around the distinction between lies and BS.
For most people the truth matters, and there’s an expectation of talking to a shared reality, that’s why, when most politicians get caught in a lie, it can end careers. Indeed Blair’s lies caught up with him, and Labour haven’t won an election since.
For those like Johnson and Trump, there’s not even a pretence of truth. It’s all BS. They know it. We know it. They know we know it. And they don’t care. The truth of the matter is irrelevant to them, as long as they can BS through the next press conference.
I see that as very damaging.
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Kinda? FFS Bruce,say it as it is.
They're prioritising health care workers and those in vulnerable groups.
They should have been doing that at the start like, and not now, when tests should be rolled out to the gen pop.
Then again, none of France, Spain, Italy or the UK are coming out of this well.
@ForeverBlue92 get well soon lad - whatever it is!
People aren't qualified to make such decisions by and large, and that's logically so. They spend the bulk of their time and energy becoming skilled in whatever domain they make a living from, not consuming whatever you'd need to know economics, politics and what not. There's a reason why we don't have referenda for every little issue.
NilSatisOptimum
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Never said all, undoubtedly the Tory party works for some but a significant number who probably should not have voted for them did. Most likely those who solely brought into one single issue that Cummings and Johnson struck upon.
A consequence of a managed decline of our education system over the last 40 years, from cramped classes, to useless degrees.
Maybe he didn't want him as PM because he thinks he is reckless and shirks accountability in favour of letting others take the blame.
Well I really like Corbyn as a person but let's face it how did he not fail as a leader.
I liked him. I liked his policies. But the football-fandom like support of Momentum - failing to see any wrong in what they did or how the party acted - and instead focusing on belittling others, cost them. And ultimately cost the country what would have been (2017 version of Corbyn at least) a good leader imo.
He lost his way in the last two years, largely because of the party being so fractioned and split - I'm not saying that is his fault necessarily, but ultimately he was the leader when it all happened.
Not blaming him or Labour for the failings of this government and in the last weeks they were at the helm I think him and John McDonnell both did well and showed what they were about.
But the whole 'righteous defeat' thing gets on my nerves when it's left us with this utter shambles, and Momentum advocates (and really they are supporters) seem to thrive in being righteous rather than having any actual impact.
Anyway, probs the wrong thread for all of that!
FWIW, I think Starmer did well yesterday in pressing Raab for more clarity.
Anyway, I saw this earlier, and it resonated with me because I'm still seeing Evertonians on Twitter insisting lockdown should be prolonged and it's all in the interest of 'saving lives' and 'saving lives' is all that matters. Whereas it's all the same thing and people must realise that this virus isn't going away, but the answer is not to shut down for the rest of our lives.
On here I think, more or less now, the discussion is really reasoned (usually) and we all know it's difficult.
But I think in the wider online community the chastising and vitriol and doom-mongering isn't taking things into account or looking at anything with a bit of perspective. I've stayed off Twitter in the main for that reason.
WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are sailing in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.
For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.
For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.
Some are bringing in extra money with endless overtime, Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales. Others no longer have a job.
Some families of 4 will receive £5000 per month from the stimulus while other families of 4 will see £0 for the duration of it.
Some were concerned about getting a certain chocolate for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.
Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine and are seen outside.
Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.
Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.
Some have faith and expect miracles during 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.
So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.
Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.
We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey so don't judge others by what's happening in your boat, we are all just fighting our way through the storm.
Good luck to you all and we'll see you in the calm
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are sailing in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.
For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.
For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.
Some are bringing in extra money with endless overtime, Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales. Others no longer have a job.
Some families of 4 will receive £5000 per month from the stimulus while other families of 4 will see £0 for the duration of it.
Some were concerned about getting a certain chocolate for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.
Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine and are seen outside.
Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.
Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.
Some have faith and expect miracles during 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.
So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.
Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.
We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey so don't judge others by what's happening in your boat, we are all just fighting our way through the storm.
Good luck to you all and we'll see you in the calm
On here I think, more or less now, the discussion is really reasoned (usually) and we all know it's difficult.
But I think in the wider online community the chastising and vitriol and doom-mongering isn't taking things into account or looking at anything with a bit of perspective. I've stayed off Twitter in the main for that reason.
I have no doubt that Thatcherism and its subsequent continued implementation are indeed, responsible for perhaps this new disengaged and disenfranchised state of the country but and it's a minor bump in this road, As New Labour under Blair where as close to this ethos as any other Labour Govt, is that the UK had Labour and really didn't like its modus operandi, hence a further 10 years of Tory leadership, so are the population all "mislead" by Toryism or is it and all the effects they have had, been responsible for your perception of the state of the UK?
In real terms Gordon Brown was ultimately responsible for austerity and it's long term effects on the UK due to his rather inept financial mismanagement.
I am neither Tory nor Labour but being from Liverpool I am strongly influenced by Labour and fairly anti Tory due to Thatcher but NOW, I'm lead by what I believe is right for the Country, myself and my Family which, rightly or wrongly for now is Conservative and all that entails.
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