Computer games.

Its also hilarious seeing loads of people buy it and then still moan about it, how special do you have to be to spunk your money on a product where you now the drawbacks and then still continue to moan about said drawbacks after you'd handed over the money. JUST DON'T BUY THE GAME.

The problem is the level of neekery in the gaming scene is through the roof, kids who will rage online about this will still go out and buy it because they got nothing better to do lol.

I'll admit though, I do sort of enjoy seeing gamers squeal... especially the hardcore ones who have full on meltdowns over stuff like this and write giant essays on reddit about how unfair it is.
 

longers said:
Is buying football stickers gambling, what about buying a kinder egg ?

There are loads of things in life you can buy where you don’t know exactly what you will get.

Nothing more tiresome than gamers cryassing about EA 24/7. Just don't buy their products and stop whining about it... they don't owe you anything, its their product, they can do whatever they want with it.

Thats not aimed specifically at you btw, just gamers in general (one of the worst and most whiney demographics on the planet tbh)
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Nah mate, here's the thing - that sticker book didn't cost you £60 to start with and it has no other purpose beyond getting the stickers to fill it.

Collectible card games have packs of cards which are simply loot boxes, like Hearthstone, but again - free to play.

As for the Kinder Egg, it's a chocolate novelty. You buy the whole thing in advance knowing it's a random toy - you don't pay £20 just to enter the shop in the first place and have the chance to spend more money once you're in.

I'm not going to stop 'whining' about companies encouraging kids to gamble. What you are saying is that cigarette companies should be able to advertise to kids, or the bookies should allow 13 year olds on the fixed odds terminals - because it's "their product", "they don't owe us anything" so why regulate it?

That's why I have the issue - not because it's a gaming issue; it's an exploitative business practice feeding on the vulnerable. It's not a "choice" for some people, so when gambling is included in a game, when they bought in to simply play a game, then you are preying on those with those personality weaknesses who have to have what's tantalisingly within reach if they "get lucky".

If these games where free-to-play, you wouldn't hear a peep from me - but it's a full priced product that ropes you in once you've already paid an entrance fee.
 
Tubey said:
Nah mate, here's the thing - that sticker book didn't cost you £60 to start with and it has no other purpose beyond getting the stickers to fill it.

Collectible card games have packs of cards which are simply loot boxes, like Hearthstone, but again - free to play.

As for the Kinder Egg, it's a chocolate novelty.

I'm not going to stop 'whining' about companies encouraging kids to gamble. What you are saying is that cigarette companies should be able to advertise to kids, or the bookies should allow 13 year olds on the fixed odds terminals - because it's "their product", "they don't owe us anything" so why regulate it?

That's why I have the issue - not because it's a gaming issue; it's an exploitative business practice feeding on the vulnerable. It's not a "choice" for some people, so when gambling is included in a game, when they bought in to simply play a game, then you are preying on those with those personality weaknesses who have to have what's tantalisingly within reach if they "get lucky".

If these games where free-to-play, you wouldn't hear a peep from me - but it's a full priced product that ropes you in once you've already paid an entrance fee.
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Its not feeding on vulnerable though, its not like kids are going out and robbing grannies for money to buy upgrades in a video games. They use their parents credit card... if their parents don't mind that then who gives a toss. Most of the cryassing is from hardcore gamers who can't handle the thought of getting spanked by some kid who just spent £20 or whatever upgrading their character. In an ideal world obviously this wouldn't happen but it's blown massively out of proportion as is everything by the gaming community.
 

longers said:
Its also hilarious seeing loads of people buy it and then still moan about it, how special do you have to be to spunk your money on a product where you now the drawbacks and then still continue to moan about said drawbacks after you'd handed over the money. JUST DON'T BUY THE GAME.

The problem is the level of neekery in the gaming scene is through the roof, kids who will rage online about this will still go out and buy it because they got nothing better to do lol.

I'll admit though, I do sort of enjoy seeing gamers squeal... especially the hardcore ones who have full on meltdowns over stuff like this and write giant essays on reddit about how unfair it is.
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massive cost difference in stickers and DLC, plus the instant nature of it...definitely needs looking at, along with anything online these days it takes time for legislation/government to catch up with what is happening
 
Tubey said:
Nah mate, here's the thing - that sticker book didn't cost you £60 to start with and it has no other purpose beyond getting the stickers to fill it.

Collectible card games have packs of cards which are simply loot boxes, like Hearthstone, but again - free to play.

As for the Kinder Egg, it's a chocolate novelty. You buy the whole thing in advance knowing it's a random toy - you don't pay £20 just to enter the shop in the first place and have the chance to spend more money once you're in.

I'm not going to stop 'whining' about companies encouraging kids to gamble. What you are saying is that cigarette companies should be able to advertise to kids, or the bookies should allow 13 year olds on the fixed odds terminals - because it's "their product", "they don't owe us anything" so why regulate it?

That's why I have the issue - not because it's a gaming issue; it's an exploitative business practice feeding on the vulnerable. It's not a "choice" for some people, so when gambling is included in a game, when they bought in to simply play a game, then you are preying on those with those personality weaknesses who have to have what's tantalisingly within reach if they "get lucky".

If these games where free-to-play, you wouldn't hear a peep from me - but it's a full priced product that ropes you in once you've already paid an entrance fee.
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This is one of the reasons I love Nintendo so much. Granted, the games can be expensive, but they never feel exploitative. Even on the rare occasion they do add DLD it's really good value. I remember the Mario Kart Wii U DLC added 16 new tracks (about half a games worth) and a few new characters for about £11.
 
longers said:
Is buying football stickers gambling, what about buying a kinder egg ?

There are loads of things in life you can buy where you don’t know exactly what you will get.

Nothing more tiresome than gamers cryassing about EA 24/7. Just don't buy their products and stop whining about it... they don't owe you anything, its their product, they can do whatever they want with it.

Thats not aimed specifically at you btw, just gamers in general (one of the worst and most whiney demographics on the planet tbh)
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Yeah, remember when I had to buy a kinder egg when I was a kid, got a toy plane, then had to pay kinder the price of an egg just to get the rest of the plane, as it came with no wings.

Fun days.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Yeah, remember when I had to buy a kinder egg when I was a kid, got a toy plane, then had to pay kinder the price of an egg just to get the rest of the plane, as it came with no wings.

Fun days.
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Ironically when I was a kid there were car/plane/army magazines aimed at kids which did exactly what you described. No one was arsed (apart from maybe the parents who had to keep buying the magazines until you finally got the part you needed).
 
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longers said:
Ironically when I was a kid there were car/plane/army magazines aimed at kids which did exactly what you described. No one was arsed.
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They still exist. The difference obviously is that when you are buying those magazines, you are doing so knowing you aren't getting a full product.

With Battlefront II, you pay a full price for a Star Wars game, think "cool I can play as Luke Skywalker" or whatever then find out that unless you drop more money after the fact then you don't get that character unless you play ridiculous amounts of the game to unlock him. And then, even if you do unlock him, you get your arse handed to you in multiplayer unless you spend more money to even the playing field, because despite buying the exact same game as everyone else at release, you are disadvantaged unless you pay EA more.

So you are paying £60 for a shell of a game, and not everyone who buys this thing will know that in advance - because it's not a free-to-play game where you'd expect as such. So those with an addictive personality will be hooked by the shell of the game, psychologically manipulated by the microtransaction pushing (just one more box, I'll get that speed boost next time...) and end up paying out hundreds extra for a game they thought they had already bought.
 
Tubey said:
They still exist. The difference obviously is that when you are buying those magazines, you are doing so knowing you aren't getting a full product.

With Battlefront II, you pay a full price for a Star Wars game, think "cool I can play as Luke Skywalker" or whatever then find out that unless you drop more money after the fact then you don't get that character unless you play ridiculous amounts of the game to unlock him. And then, even if you do unlock him, you get your arse handed to you in multiplayer unless you spend more money to even the playing field, because despite buying the exact same game as everyone else at release, you are disadvantaged unless you pay EA more.

So you are paying £60 for a shell of a game, and not everyone who buys this thing will know that in advance - because it's not a free-to-play game where you'd expect as such. So those with an addictive personality will be hooked by the shell of the game, psychologically manipulated by the microtransaction pushing (just one more box, I'll get that speed boost next time...) and end up paying out hundreds extra for a game they thought they had already bought.
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I see your points I just honestly don't think it's as much of a big deal as you and others make it out to be. Me and several mates have all bought it and no ones crying about getting spanked online, we're having a good time... and no one has any desire to pay to unlock better perks. It's a complete non issues for us hence the amusement at the online meltdown over it.

If some little video game crackheads can't control their need to spunk money on micro transactions then so be it, chances are it's just going to be kids using their mums credit cards. I can't see legions of kids going out on streets begging for money and selling their asses so they can get the latest perks.

I now await someone posting a link to a kid doing exactly that lol
 
longers said:
I see your points I just honestly don't think it's as much of a big deal as you and others make it out to be. Me and several mates have all bought it and no ones crying about getting spanked online, we're having a good time... and no one has any desire to pay to unlock better perks. It's a complete non issues for us hence the amusement at the online meltdown over it.

If some little video game crackheads can't control their need to spunk money on micro transactions then so be it, chances are it's just going to be kids using their mums credit cards. I can't see legions of kids going out on streets begging for money and selling their asses so they can get the latest perks.

I now await someone posting a link to a kid doing exactly that lol
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I'm not affected by the Tampon Tax either mate but that doesn't mean it's right!

I don't own Battlefront II, never will, and I don't have the personality that is roped in by those sort of tactics - but I can still see that it's despicable and not right because I understand it's not me they're aiming at.
 
Tubey said:
I'm not affected by the Tampon Tax either mate but that doesn't mean it's right!

I don't own Battlefront II, never will, and I don't have the personality that is roped in by those sort of tactics - but I can still see that it's despicable and not right because I understand it's not me they're aiming at.
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Fair enough, I think using terms like despicable is hilariously OTT personally.

Whats the worst that happens ? Kids spend money on their parents credit cards ? THE HORROR.
 

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