Coach/Assistant to manager

[Moomin]

Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan.

Oh!

 

[bluestevon]

In the premier league all that keeps coming to mind are people like Craig Shakespeare at Leicester, John Carver at Newcastle, Tim Sheerwood at Spurs (even though he was unlucky to lose his job)

Anyone think of any good ones in england?

The rs bootroom churned out about three mate.

 

[tadao]

Wasn't Brendan Rodgers youth coach at Chelsea?

 

[Charles Plastusz]

Do we regard Harvey as a flop?

We can only dream of flopping like that these days

 

[micknick]

My point is that we all felt very stirred by the presser yesterday and the passionate chat from Unsworth but does it ever actually work??!

 

[AndyC]

Do we regard Harvey as a flop?

Steady Tiger, abusing King Colin will not be taken lightly.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Terry Connor done a good job

 

[blue61]

Frank O'Farrell did well at Manure.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

I like Steve Clarke. Feels like he was a little unlucky

 

[gonetomorrow]

Tommy Docherty. Player/coach at Chelsea under Ted Drake. Became manager 1962.

 

[bluestevon]

My point is that we all felt very stirred by the presser yesterday and the passionate chat from Unsworth but does it ever actually work??!

Depends - Mourinho was an assistant manager at benfica before getting the Porto job, Vogts and Low - both assistant Germany managers before getting promoted, Smith was an assistant manager Dundee, Scotland and then Rangers before taking the step up - still the most succesful one there from memory.

Wenger was an assistant at Cannes before going into the full time job at Nancy, Benitez was the manager of Real Madrid B before taking on a managers job away from there as well.

In short a lot of the best mangers started out as Assistants

 

[Market trader]

Roberto Di Matteo at Chelsea. Sacked after winning the Champions League.

 

[micknick]

Depends - Mourinho was an assistant manager at benfica before getting the Porto job, Vogts and Low - both assistant Germany managers before getting promoted, Smith was an assistant manager Dundee, Scotland and then Rangers before taking the step up - still the most succesful one there from memory.

Wenger was an assistant at Cannes before going into the full time job at Nancy, Benitez was the manager of Real Madrid B before taking on a managers job away from there as well.

In short a lot of the best mangers started out as Assistants

But taking that step up at the same club? Doesnt happen very often does it and when it does not very successful if history is to show us anything.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Do we regard Harvey as a flop?

At the time possibly Bruce as our standards were so much higher back then, but looking back we'd take fourth now eh?

 

[bluestevon]

But taking that step up at the same club? Doesnt happen very often does it and when it does not very successful if history is to show us anything.

The ones who step up tend to be the best of the assistant managers, what qualities make a good assistant manager don't neccesarily translate into making a good manager etc.

I'd say a good assistant stepping up at the same club - if you take everyone who has done it over the last 10-15 years and work the % out, would not exactly be a worse success rate than hiring a foreign manager or one form the lower leagues.

And likely more successful than looking at a list of every managers first job as manager and comparing that % of successes etc.

Also everyone's focus seems to be on at the top level etc for this, i'm pretty sure if you go down the leagues it happens massively more frequently at clubs - and maybe a lot of the decent managers out there did go that route etc