Leylo
Player Valuation: £35m
Na he's crap should have stopped the cross for the goal also
Match Thread Brighton & Hove Albion v Everton - Team Prediction, Waffle, Match Report & MotM Poll
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Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
I'm still fuming now. There's no excuse for dropping two points like that. We've got a cowardly gang of losers for a team. They're a pathetic group of wage thieves.
Runub
Player Valuation: £50m
Very few thought we had a chance of anything before the game. Brighton had not lost at home since August. They are also in the top four for recovering points from losing positions. Pity the way it panned out but a point there is a point gained
Godfrey misjudged it...got underneath it / let it go over his head
Dunk Attacked it
Onana didn't - and at 6ft 5in he's well big enough to go shoulder to shoulder with Dunk and do enough so he doesn't get a free clear header
It was a cracking volley and defensive anticipation at its best - full credit to both...Lampty??
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
Hang about? In the last 10 games in the league the only truely cowardly performance was Wolves away, every other game we’ve played they’ve competed till the very end, even when we’ve attacked like a limp fish
terryefc
Player Valuation: £8m
Spot on. They've missed it on MOTD. It was a fantastic volley and unbelievable clearance. From the other end we thought it had hit the bar/post.
Felt like a loss in the end yesterday after the position we'd got ourselves into against 10 men.
terryefc
Player Valuation: £8m
Luton in the cup and Palace last week we're disgraceful. Wage thieves is too strong - but we do lack bottle at times.
From the wing.... we have no wingers.....
Dwight K Schrute
Player Valuation: £20m
What's false? We need to work on our attacking play. There is obviously no attacking patterns to our work whatsoever. Our manager is either too much of a cretin or too stubborn to change it. It will will result in out demise if it doesn't improve.what a bizarre and false post
Fans often force issues to improve their club’s situation. I believe we should do the same.
Dwight K Schrute
Player Valuation: £20m
The majority of those success stories are long in the past. It is okay to be more defensive. But our attacking play is non-existent. To the point that it is embarrassing.
People regularly ignoring the fact that we were abysmal at the start of the season and are abysmal now. We only picked up the majority of our wins when the points deduction was announced. When you play like a lower league side, the level of aggression you play with often tips the scales. The players had the bit between their teeth after the deduction, as did the fans because it was unjust. We have merely reverted to type since that purple patch. Cannot prove it, but it is my contention that we would actually be lower in the table without the deduction. Look at when the points this season have been won . . .
Zatara
Player Valuation: £90m
This isnt hyperbole but im certain that no one is going to be able to turn Harrison into Kanchelskis, McNeil into overmars or Doucoure into James.
The only one of the three with any football intelligence is McNeil.
For me its like a rowing boat. You can teach and train as much as you like but if one or two in the crew dont row the same you lose.
Add in Beto and DCL to that and what kind of football could we actually play?
I am certain this is a player quality issue and not a managerial one.
As ive posted before -- again no hyperbole -- lets say Tuchel or even Simeone replaced Dyche.
What would you expect to see differently from two elite coaches?
If its any higher than 12th i think not.
Dwight K Schrute
Player Valuation: £20m
No. What is ridiculous is the constant whataboutery of people responding to those who are critical of the attacking play by saying these players cannot play free-flowing football, or possession football, or 'tippy-tappy' football.
NO-ONE is advocating for that right now.
I could not care less if we are defensive. I could not care less if our aim is to hang on in games. It makes sense given our predicament. What is totally unacceptable though is the lack of work on attacking play. No patterns. No space creation, no overlapping full-backs, no-one getting close to the CF. Very few balls in behind, most leathered up to the CF's head. We also have good and mobile CM's so they could easily cover space vacated by FBs who push forward.
Our attacking players are not great, but are so much better than what we are currently seeing. The manager is being excused of his responsibility here. I can't imagine the inverse happening. That is, if we had defenders who people thought were crap. Yes, people would accept we would concede more goals because they are crap, but they absolutely would not accept the manager obviously doing no work on defensive shape, patterns or positional play.
Also, I love the fact that we have improved at attacking set-pieces. But ultimately all that is, is a deep ball to the back post to our huge players to be nodded across or in. Very difficult to defend, but there is no variation at all, it is hardly rocket science, and eventually teams will find an answer.
The defence is perfoming very well. But it is easier to do so when (a) the personnel are better - Branthwaite has been a game changer there and (b) you sacrifice all attacking play to sit deep and defend.
I know we cannot sack him. No-one would take the job. But the excuse making for some of the ranks amateur management we see needs to end. If he is pressured into just doing a fraction more attacking work we will see huge dividends.
Dwight K Schrute
Player Valuation: £20m
It is hyperbole because you have again reached for excellent players, which no-one is saying.
McNeil is so one footed that he needs an overlapping FB to create space.
DCL was successful under Ancelotti because he stayed within the width of the box and was much closer to goal, with a lot of cut-backs or crosses from good areas being created for him. Instead, we leather the ball up to his head, have him yards from goal, then usually competing with the CBs on his own to try and get ahead having come from deep for a hopeful deep cross.
Beto, as anyone who ever watched the lad in Serie A knows, is raw as they come but, like prime Lukaku, is not a back to goal striker and needs the ball played in front of him for him to run onto. He is very good at shrugging defenders. We did this just a couple of times yesterday and it caused Brighton problems. We usually just leather the ball at his head.
We rarely, even with Doucoure have men pushing forward to support.
We would not see all this happening all the time if it was solely a player issue. It is managerial one and he clearly puts little emphasis on the attacking play or shape.
Yes, I would expect to see differently from a Simeone or Tuchel because, whilst they are defensive, their teams have been successful because they clearly do some work on maximising attacking opportunities. Yes, they have better players but you can always see what a manager is trying to do. Take the inverse with Martinez at us and Wigan. He was naive beyond belief defensively, but you could always see what he was trying to do with his side, what he focused on, what the patterns or shapes were. He definitely required better players to play it. With Dyche, the same thing applies. Even if you don't rate our forwards, you can see the lack of training ground work that is done on this area. The players are better than they show. Our attacking play is sub Championship standard. Our attackers are better than sub Championship standard. Our attackers are better than at least 5 other side's attackers in the PL, none of whom look so inept going forward.
People really need to stop excusing ineptitude from Dyche. Reminds me very much of Allardyce's claims that he would play more attacking football with better players - never did. And that he would be managing Real Madrid if his name was Allardici. There is a blind-spot people have for these excuse machine managers.
