Breakfast in America

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stupid giraffe said:
And yet refuted so unconvincingly. The point, it seems to me, remains...
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If Moore's words were so easy to dissect, then perhaps they would have been by now. The link offered is an examination as valid as an Orange Lodge's explanation for the Ascendancy.


But here's the thing. I think it's got something to do with a national mindset which I'd describe as Old Testament. This is a mindset which sees things in strong colours; can hang on to ringing headline commandments; can build broad highways, if you will, but struggles with more subtle, winding pathways.

In religious terms, certainly more Moses than Jesus. In social terms, the teenager with too many toys. Perhaps, it just needs the time to grow up? In the meantime, five people are dead. There's a chance they might not have been.
 
zed said:
i aint too savvy with the constitootion but doesnt it say `a right to bear arms`. you could say in england people with easy access to knives kill people. education my friend is whats needed in most cases
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The Constitution also counts non-whites as 3/5 a person for Census purposes and bars the forced quartering of soldiers in private person's home.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To me, this reads: the public should not be denied arms as to allow the possibility of a well regulated militia to rebel against the tyranny of the government as needed. Not the right to own an assault rifle.

No one in the United States is talking about denying people the right to own hunting or sport rifles/shotguns. AK-47's? Would love to hear one actually cogent and logical reason why I should be allowed to traipse down to the local Gun Shop and pick up an AK-47 and 1,000 round of 9mm ammunition.

The US was founded with a gun and no amount of discourse is going to cut that out of the national psyche.
 

zed said:
i agree mate, guns are way freaky - i`ve got family in USA and no way will they have a gun coz of the `accidents` that can happen but for me theres no substitute for education and times have changed as you say but then you`re up against the nra who will obviously take the stance that guns dont kill people but ignore the fact that easy access to firearms is the major crux of the biscuit
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I thought every American citizen carried a gun in their car glovebox.....no?
 
ChicagoToffee said:
No one in the United States is talking about denying people the right to own hunting or sport rifles/shotguns. AK-47's? Would love to hear one actually cogent and logical reason why I should be allowed to traipse down to the local Gun Shop and pick up an AK-47 and 1,000 round of 9mm ammunition. The US was founded with a gun and no amount of discourse is going to cut that out of the national psyche.
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Agree entirely. Sensible gun laws requiring registration, background checks, and honestly training on how to use a weapon properly and safely are necessary - and lacking in some states. You're right about assault weapons too. However this tragedy would not have been prevented by any of those things.
 
Muggins said:
I thought every American citizen carried a gun in their car glovebox.....no?
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We have holsters. Here's me coming in to work today...
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Muggins said:
I thought every American citizen carried a gun in their car glovebox.....no?
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Every American? Probably not. I think every Texan keeps about four guns in their car.

I don't have four. Just one. I keep a Browning 9MM under my passenger side floorboard mat.

We had a real good conversation about this around three years ago. Rob Japan, myself, others. I'm terrible with finding old threads but I bet Chico could find it.

I don't recall the particulars but I still remember it so there must have been some good back and forth.
 
ChicagoToffee said:
The Constitution also counts non-whites as 3/5 a person for Census purposes and bars the forced quartering of soldiers in private person's home.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To me, this reads: the public should not be denied arms as to allow the possibility of a well regulated militia to rebel against the tyranny of the government as needed. Not the right to own an assault rifle.

No one in the United States is talking about denying people the right to own hunting or sport rifles/shotguns. AK-47's? Would love to hear one actually cogent and logical reason why I should be allowed to traipse down to the local Gun Shop and pick up an AK-47 and 1,000 round of 9mm ammunition.

The US was founded with a gun and no amount of discourse is going to cut that out of the national psyche.
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Fully automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. So thus an AK-47 is illegal unless modified to semi-auto.
 
Nordecke said:
Fully automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. So thus an AK-47 is illegal unless modified to semi-auto.
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gotcha loud and clear-i can get you as many as you like mate. pm me- start your message with `the eagle in dovecot is always in my trousers` that way i`ll know its you. mums the word
 
Nordecke said:
Fully automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. So thus an AK-47 is illegal unless modified to semi-auto.
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Ok, why should Americans be able to traipse down to the local Gun Shop and pick up a semi-automatic AK-47 and 1,000 rounds of 9mm ammunition?

Just a quick peek on the Interweb shows me I can buy:

UZI .45 cal rifle (your standard Uzi) for $989.00

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The K3B M4 Tactical Assault Rifle for $1,079.00

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The Israeli Galil assault rifle for $649.00

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And the good ol' AK-47 for a mere $689

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I get the whole hunting / home defense take and I'm down with that but these weapons are used to defend fortresses, not home and the only thing you're legitimately hunting with these are people.
 

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