#BLACKLIVESMATTER

[SerenityNigh]

#ALLLIVESMATTER you massive bunch of pseudo-intellectual, faux liberal, quasi-polticised noisy berks.

Noisy?

 

[SerenityNigh]

I see no one has addressed the stats that I put up from Chicago, the overwhelming black on black murder rate and the fact that police shootings of blacks or whites are minuscule in comparison. Much better to have a go at the Police rather than address the real issues that cause so many lives to be lost........

Guns don't kill people, Internet forums kill people

 

[SerenityNigh]

i get the impression we (all of we) were more colourblind a decade or so ago.

identity politics is a poisonous movement as it divides people, defined by how one group differs to others, but not in a culturally-enriching way (like it should be) but rather in a confrontational look-at-me way...fitting for this era of selfie-love and social networking.

I've noticed my own black friends, some of whom i've known for yonks, are speaking more about their blackness and black culture. This culture of identity is encouraged by the 'liberal' side, of which I always thought I was onboard until I realised its blind proponents spout just as much ideological bollocks as those who identify as conservative. You can thank the migrant crisis of the last 12 months for opening many people's eyes to the Left's fatal flaw: that they believe their truth is right regardless of evidence to the contrary.


Martin Luther King and Morgan Freeman, both statesmen of black people if you will, both agree(d) that people aren't defined by the colour of their skin, but rather by their actions and quality of their character. We seem to be regressing away from this humanist message. The obscenely-huge numbers of black-on-black crime doesn't help.


On the other hand: the relatively recent history of slavery and inequality remains raw, and there genuinely is a hell of a lot of open racism from white people against blacks (much more US than UK, tho'...UK is actually a world-leader in race relations). There is a genuine problem of trigger-happy US cops literally murdering innocent black people. There is the problem of ghettos and overfilled jails and there is also Homan Square, which is a blight on humanity as much as Guantanamo Bay is.

BLM is a naturally-understandable reaction to this horrible on-the-other-hand stuff. It may not be the most helpful reaction.


Mixing is the key, but it will take social will and a few generations...

From my outsider's view Europe is becoming more isolationist and less mixed, but maybe we'll see that change and increase soon. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see people readily embracing other cultures that frequently.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I was arguing this a few months back. If black people commit more crime, then obviously they're going to be in more altercations with police, so obviously there will be more tragic incidents with the police.

Not only that - and this is something that people refuse to mention because it is controversial - but black people in America are less educated than whites, and therefore more likely to be involved with crime, more likely to be drug users, more likely to commit acts of violence and less likely to act cautiously in encounters with the police.

These arguments aren't stable because there is a fundamental bias in the underlying assumptions.

Here is a good primer; these events are not unusual.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/0...ecomes-blunt-spokesman-for-death-penalty.html

 

[magicjuan]

From my outsider's view Europe is becoming more isolationist and less mixed, but maybe we'll see that change and increase soon. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see people readily embracing other cultures that frequently.

In built, inherent and inherited mistrust fuelled by politicians and the media

 

[WycombeToffee]

Equating the reasonable goals of a movement with the disruptive or violent actions of some participants is beyond silly, unless you agree that Thatcher was right in trying to shut down English football on account of hooliganism.

I completely disagree with our European ban, but you cannot deny that football is much safer and more family friendly now than it was in the 80s. That can only be a good thing.

 

[bizzaro]

Whilst I hugely support this cause in America, I find the British equivalent a bit flat.

The protest today was at London City Airport and the campaign said it carried out the protest to "highlight the environmental impact of air travel on the lives of black people locally and globally".

The group issued a video that said the reason for the protest was that the climate crisis was a “racist crisis”.

Is it just me who finds this a crap attempt to link onto a genuine issue?

They also targetted the tazer death of Dalian Atkinson last month.

Anyone trying to claim Britain is institutionally racist is telling a lie for political aims.

Its not.

 

[SerenityNigh]

#StopShootingEachOtherIfTheyReallyMatter

Mate, you've apparently never witnessed a minor traffic violation of you believe police shooting unarmed men isn't the answer.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I completely disagree with our European ban, but you cannot deny that football is much safer and more family friendly now than it was in the 80s. That can only be a good thing.

Likewise, equal treatment for people of all colors cna only be a good thing.

 

[Groucho]

Likewise, equal treatment for people of all colors cna only be a good thing.

Of course. We should all be equal.

Black lives matter without doubt - all lives matter, regardless of colour.

 

[Milk]

Of course. We should all be equal.

Black lives matter without doubt - all lives matter, regardless of colour.

Can we draw the line at rats? I hate them with a passion only surpassed by my terrier

 

[Groucho]

Can we draw the line at rats? I hate them with a passion only surpassed by my terrier

Yeah, I meant people.

I wasn't going for full on bhuddism.

 

[SerenityNigh]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/no-racial-bias-police-shootings-study-harvard-prof/


A study by a Harvard professor released this month found no evidence of racial bias in police shootings even though officers were more likely to interact physically with non-whites than whites.

The paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, which examined thousands of incidents at 10 large police departments in California, Florida and Texas, concluded that police were no more likely to shoot non-whites than whites after factoring in extenuating circumstances.

“On the most extreme use of force — officer-involved shootings — we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account,” said Harvard economics professor Roland G. Fryer Jr. in the abstract of the July 2016 paper.

Mr. Fryer, who is black, told The New York Times that the finding of no racial discrimination in police shootings was “the most surprising result of my career.”

At the same time, the study found blacks and Hispanics were more than 50 percent more likely to experience physical interactions with police, including touching, pushing, handcuffing, drawing a weapon, and using a baton or pepper spray.

The 63-page study, “An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force,” appears to support research conducted at Washington State University showing that officers in simulation tests were actually less likely to shoot at blacks than whites.

The paper also challenges the contention by the new wave of civil-rights groups such as Black Lives Matter that racist police are singling out blacks for shootings.

The findings are nothing if not timely, coming after protests spurred by two deadly incidents earlier this month involving black men shot and killed by police in Louisiana and Minnesota.

Their deaths, which are under review, spurred a sniper attack on police Thursday in Dallas during a Black Lives Matter march that left five officers dead and seven injured.

Mr. Fryer’s study found that police are 50 percent more likely to engage in physical interactions with blacks and Hispanics, including touching, pushing and drawing weapons.

“Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities,” the paper said.

The study examined data collected in six Texas cities, three Florida counties and Los Angeles County, as well as New York City’s Stop, Question and Frisk program.

Mr. Fryer said that the “importance of our results for racial inequality is unclear.”

“It is plausible that racial differences in lower level uses of force are simply a distraction and movements such as Black Lives Matter should seek solutions within their own communities rather than changing the behaviors of police and other external forces,” he said in the study’s conclusion.

“Much more troubling, due to their frequency and potential impact on minority belief formation, is the possibility that racial differences in police use of nonlethal force have spillovers on myriad dimensions of racial inequality,” Mr. Fryer said.




It's still shoddy that they're involved in more 'physical interactions' with police than white people, but that's not what BLM is pushing at all, it's all about the narrative of racist cops going round and gunning down innocent black people, which this study suggests simply isn't the case.

63p is too large for reading at work, but interesting Fryer found both:

On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities.

and

On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account.

Would be interested to see if these results hold true for other areas, although this data is not well reported (or even available) at many PDs.

 

[peteblue]

I expect all the demonstrators to be White, middle class, unemployed and wearing dreadlocks......

And here's two of them......

 

[harry]

Of course. We should all be equal.

Black lives matter without doubt - all lives matter, regardless of colour.

But it only seems to be an issue if its white on black. Trying to get something by playing the victim even when the evidence doesn't back up the allegations. It was like the bullcrap with the Oscar's, it started off a 'non-White' but soon turned into a black, white issue.