#BLACKLIVESMATTER

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You can tell this forum is 99.9% white lol

 

[peteblue]

Black lives matter will be around for as long as people can make money out of it.

Available on eBay.......It's quite amazing just how many BLM t shirts styles there are on google images.....

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Why let facts get in the way of anything Pete?

There's a special group of people called 'Social Justice Warriors' who spend their lives being offended on behalf of others. Even in the first few pages of this thread you'll see how quickly they attack people for presenting an alternative point of view, despite the facts not actually backing up their argument. Tedious bunch that you can't actually have a debate with, they tend to scream racist at you and cause a stir rather than addressing any reasonable points of view you bring, or they just disappear entirely as you've found here.

How very dare you.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Not picking on you, just using this statement to highlight a point that any find hard to grasp, and that is the missing word in the Black Lives Matter name.

Is it not Only Black Lives Matter
It is Black Lives Matter Too

Subtle, but hopefully that helps.

Indeed, maybe the movement would have gained broader acceptance of it were named Black Lives Matter Too You Dumbf**ks #BLMTYDF

*really surprised that wasn't filtered*

 

[SerenityNigh]

Good post but I find that blm on America abit two faced. They kept going on about how the blacks who are shot about the police and they had protects and rallies. But they did not mention once about the policeman who was killed because he was black and a policeman and was killed by a black person who is a blm supporter.. did his life matter? Didn't seem to because he was a policeman

I think the main difference here is that police are expected to put their lives at risk to serve the welfare of the community, regardless of the color of people in the community, and that black Americans have a history of discrimination against them, including from institutional groups like the police.

 

[Tubey]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/no-racial-bias-police-shootings-study-harvard-prof/


A study by a Harvard professor released this month found no evidence of racial bias in police shootings even though officers were more likely to interact physically with non-whites than whites.

The paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, which examined thousands of incidents at 10 large police departments in California, Florida and Texas, concluded that police were no more likely to shoot non-whites than whites after factoring in extenuating circumstances.

“On the most extreme use of force — officer-involved shootings — we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account,” said Harvard economics professor Roland G. Fryer Jr. in the abstract of the July 2016 paper.

Mr. Fryer, who is black, told The New York Times that the finding of no racial discrimination in police shootings was “the most surprising result of my career.”

At the same time, the study found blacks and Hispanics were more than 50 percent more likely to experience physical interactions with police, including touching, pushing, handcuffing, drawing a weapon, and using a baton or pepper spray.

The 63-page study, “An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force,” appears to support research conducted at Washington State University showing that officers in simulation tests were actually less likely to shoot at blacks than whites.

The paper also challenges the contention by the new wave of civil-rights groups such as Black Lives Matter that racist police are singling out blacks for shootings.

The findings are nothing if not timely, coming after protests spurred by two deadly incidents earlier this month involving black men shot and killed by police in Louisiana and Minnesota.

Their deaths, which are under review, spurred a sniper attack on police Thursday in Dallas during a Black Lives Matter march that left five officers dead and seven injured.

Mr. Fryer’s study found that police are 50 percent more likely to engage in physical interactions with blacks and Hispanics, including touching, pushing and drawing weapons.

“Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities,” the paper said.

The study examined data collected in six Texas cities, three Florida counties and Los Angeles County, as well as New York City’s Stop, Question and Frisk program.

Mr. Fryer said that the “importance of our results for racial inequality is unclear.”

“It is plausible that racial differences in lower level uses of force are simply a distraction and movements such as Black Lives Matter should seek solutions within their own communities rather than changing the behaviors of police and other external forces,” he said in the study’s conclusion.

“Much more troubling, due to their frequency and potential impact on minority belief formation, is the possibility that racial differences in police use of nonlethal force have spillovers on myriad dimensions of racial inequality,” Mr. Fryer said.




It's still shoddy that they're involved in more 'physical interactions' with police than white people, but that's not what BLM is pushing at all, it's all about the narrative of racist cops going round and gunning down innocent black people, which this study suggests simply isn't the case.

I was arguing this a few months back. If black people commit more crime, then obviously they're going to be in more altercations with police, so obviously there will be more tragic incidents with the police.

Not only that - and this is something that people refuse to mention because it is controversial - but black people in America are less educated than whites, and therefore more likely to be involved with crime, more likely to be drug users, more likely to commit acts of violence and less likely to act cautiously in encounters with the police.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Lets look at some of blm's demands in their own words:

Financial support of Black alternative institutions including policy that subsidizes and offers low-interest, interest-free or federally guaranteed low-interest loans to promote the development of cooperatives (food, residential, etc.), land trusts and culturally responsive health infrastructures that serve the collective needs of our communities.

Reparations for the cultural and educational exploitation, erasure, and extraction of our communities in the form of mandated public school curriculums that critically examine the political, economic, and social impacts of colonialism and slavery, and funding to support, build, preserve, and restore cultural assets and sacred sites to ensure the recognition and honoring of our collective struggles and triumphs.

Election protection, electoral expansion and the right to vote for all people including: full access, guarantees, and protections of the right to vote for all people through universal voter registration, automatic voter registration, pre-registration for 16-year-olds, same day voter registration, voting day holidays, enfranchisement of formerly and presently incarcerated people, local and state resident voting for undocumented people, and a ban on any disenfranchisement laws.

Sooo redistribute wealth from one ('privileged')class to another ('opressed')(bourgeoisie, proles) , incorporate people into the state via AUTOMATIC REGISTRATION and impose voting for non citizens
There's a word for trying to force through this kind of policy through non-electoral means
That word is trotskyism, and during the second world war it made the holocaust look like a drop in the bucket

Maybe there is an issue with black people amd the police but this group is using that issue and its supporters as useful idiots to push communism

Bonus round: yay for segregation

Protection and increased funding for Black institutions including Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU’s), Black media and cultural, political and social formations.

Seperate social institutions
Didn't we decide those were BAD things some time ago?

Mate, if that's Trotsky-ism, I'm Vlad Putin's ass queen

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

Mate, if that's Trotsky-ism, I'm Vlad Putin's ass queen

Trotskyism is attempting to implement communism through non electoral means

i'm pretty sure shutting down traffic, shooting cops and rioting all pretty much count

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

You can tell this forum is 99.9% white lol

Genuinely interested as to why being white or black matters in relation to understanding studies and data?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Trotskyism is attempting to implement communism through non electoral means

i'm pretty sure shutting down traffic, shooting cops and rioting all pretty much count

Nothing you mention above is disruptive or rioting, plus the first amendment protects the right to speech, expression, and peaceable assembly. Also, I'm no Russia expert but I understand they've used power mainly to oppress peoples, not to provide for their welfare, but maybe that's simply overlooked in U.S. History texts.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Genuinely interested as to why being white or black matters in relation to understanding studies and data?

Because observations/studies/statistics, made/composed/gathered by people able to collate such data (Usually by John Q Whitey) are blinkered, inadmissible, unreliable, and disrespectful - if they're not 100% conducive.

 

[Mountfield1985]

I was arguing this a few months back. If black people commit more crime, then obviously they're going to be in more altercations with police, so obviously there will be more tragic incidents with the police.

Not only that - and this is something that people refuse to mention because it is controversial - but black people in America are less educated than whites, and therefore more likely to be involved with crime, more likely to be drug users, more likely to commit acts of violence and less likely to act cautiously in encounters with the police.

There are black communities that are completely left to rot by the US. Depriving people of money, jobs and opportunities will always result in more gangs, crime, drugs and poorer schools. Some kids born into it just don't have a chance. The focus should be on breaking that cycle.

I think it's fairly obvious that a lot of US police forces have a culture of bias against black people, whatever their class. And their judicial system certainly does.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Shut down Bury market

#BlackPuddingLivesMatter

 

[Tubey]

There are black communities that are completely left to rot by the US. Depriving people of money, jobs and opportunities will always result in more gangs, crime, drugs and poorer schools. Some kids born into it just don't have a chance. The focus should be on breaking that cycle.

I think it's fairly obvious that a lot of US police forces have a culture of bias against black people, whatever their class. And their judicial system certainly does.

Agree completely.

That's why I find the completely false assumption of police being inherently racist and somehow total monsters when they don the uniform to be a red herring, and the focus should be on improving societal aspirations for minorities in America as a whole.

But that is too complex an issue to wave banners about and monetize apparently.

 

[Goat]

#StopShootingEachOtherIfTheyReallyMatter