Bilyaletdinov needs a run in the team

[kenada_blue]

Yes,he has a few shortcomings..but isn't that Moyes' job to fix it? Isn't he supposed to bring the best out of his players like he has with everyone he signs.

Does Cahill have no shortcomings? He can't pass, or shoot from outside the box but still he HAS to be in the team because he can head it home.

Billy can strike it like neither Osman/Anichebe/Coleman/Pienaar can do....but to accept that he's better off at the bench is no excuse for me and who knows he would have scored had he been given the confidence like Osman,Hibbert and recently Saha has been getting.

Yakubu was/is lazy at times but it's his goals that matter most. We at everton have made it must for wingers to track back for full backs and that defensive mind set is why we see no striker at the half way line when we defend a corner.

If billy can't track back or he's not good at it then why force him to be out until he learns to..why not give him a free role to cross the ball(which I've seen him boss),shoot from distance an find a killer pass which he can do for sure. Does Van der Vaart track back, does Walcott, Ronaldo. If a winger tracks back then great...it looks good once in a while when he helps out his full back but then he has to make sure that his attacking game isn't affected and if that's the case with Billy then I'd tell him to play your natural game..no hard n fast rules..take the ball, do the best with it and if you feel like shooting,then shoot the damn ball so hard that the keeper flies in the back of the net!

To be fair he knows how to defend as hes played left back in his career.

It's the speed and pace of the game that does him.

But then again, if this is the case you work on his defensive duties but instead of telling him to attack and get back you tell him to just hit balls into the box before he reaches the box.

He doesn't even get those chances or those instructions cos he's not even a main substitute to use.

 

[Neiler]

Hes a good player but he has to earn the right to be in the team, hes been given oppurtuities but hasnt taken them he can have no complaints.

 

[Elong]

I cant find the quote but I think he meant either as centre midfield or just off the striker...and Im edging towards talking about the Cahill role he said he's got no chance of playing in...

EDIT -

“There’s no place for him in a central position given the quality of players we have in there at the moment.

“Not with Jack Rodwell to come into the team, Marouane Fellaini, Johnny Heitinga, and we’ve still got Leon Osman to come back.

“There could be a possibility behind the striker. A couple of people have mentioned that to me but it’s something I’ve not really considered that much because I already have a lot of people who can do that.

“I could have two players up front or I could play Steven Pienaar in there as well so there’s quite a lot of competition for those sort of roles.”

In other words...He''d either play 2 strikers up top or Pienaar behind a lone striker before Bilya would even think about going there.

Hes not gonna play anywhere else but left or right midfield...and he's the least likely in the pecking order

Still begs a question some people haven't answered then.... Why did Moyes buy him?

 

[RFUS]

Still begs a question some people haven't answered then.... Why did Moyes buy him?

I've been asking that same question for a long time now.

We needed someone to play on the right, instead we got someone who is primarily central when "there's no place for him in a central position given the quality of the players we have in there".

Bizarre, really.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Yes,he has a few shortcomings..but isn't that Moyes' job to fix it? Isn't he supposed to bring the best out of his players like he has with everyone he signs.

Does Cahill have no shortcomings? He can't pass, or shoot from outside the box but still he HAS to be in the team because he can head it home.

Billy can strike it like neither Osman/Anichebe/Coleman/Pienaar can do....but to accept that he's better off at the bench is no excuse for me and who knows he would have scored had he been given the confidence like Osman,Hibbert and recently Saha has been getting.

Yakubu was/is lazy at times but it's his goals that matter most. We at everton have made it must for wingers to track back for full backs and that defensive mind set is why we see no striker at the half way line when we defend a corner.

If billy can't track back or he's not good at it then why force him to be out until he learns to..why not give him a free role to cross the ball(which I've seen him boss),shoot from distance an find a killer pass which he can do for sure. Does Van der Vaart track back, does Walcott, Ronaldo. If a winger tracks back then great...it looks good once in a while when he helps out his full back but then he has to make sure that his attacking game isn't affected and if that's the case with Billy then I'd tell him to play your natural game..no hard n fast rules..take the ball, do the best with it and if you feel like shooting,then shoot the damn ball so hard that the keeper flies in the back of the net!

I've actually defended Bilyaletdinov's workrate, I don't have a problem with it, he's no Pienaar when it comes to tracking back, but he tries his best.

My problem with him is for a so called creative midfielder he doesn't do anywhere near enough of it, whether it's through crossing, passing or link up play. Pienaar isn't perfect, he has his flaws, but he always takes the ball under pressure and gets involved, and he's been doing it since day one, even when he was still getting to grips with the pace of the game over here. That's what I want to see with Bilyaletdinov really, I'm not expecting miracles, and he will make mistakes, but if he's trying to be creative, then I have no problem. That's far from the case though, his movement is poor, he doesn't make himself available and he seems a bit lost in all honesty.

What he has is good, he's got a goal in him and a decent strike, but it isn't enough to command that position. We could probably stick Saha out there and he'd do that for us, and he's got a better strike than Bilyaletdinov has, and he's shoots far more. It doesn't mean I'd have him on our wing week in week out.

You mention Van der Vaart, and that's exactly what I expected Bilyaletdinov to be like after we found out that he wasn't anything like his youtube videos potray him. Obviously not as good, but a similar type of player who can influence the game inbetween the lines as Sir Rafael would say. In a creative sense though, he simply hasn't done it, and his performances are littered with mistakes, which is frustrating when you are trying to break teams down.

 

[DionDublin]

billy needs a run in the gym

 

[Great Dane]

Hes a good player but he has to earn the right to be in the team, hes been given oppurtuities but hasnt taken them he can have no complaints.

I disagree. Unlike other players he has been given the odd game or 20-30 min. substitution role and it really requires more than that to get into match form and the flow of the game.

He might not be pacy, but his thinking with the ball is. Someone like Matt Le Tissier was never pacy, never did any defensive work - he was the quarterback of Southampton, he required protection, but was a game-changer. I see Bilya in the same light. He really must start against Chelsea.

 

[davek]

Bily remaining patient: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...ng-for-his-place-in-the-team-100252-27765828/

...and that story in there about Hibbert getting stitches to a bad ankle last week at HT against West Brom beggars belief. Moyes had a RB on the bench to put in his place and Hibbo was having a torrid time first half anyway. This manager baffles me sometimes he really does.

 

[faddy the blue]

Bily remaining patient: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...ng-for-his-place-in-the-team-100252-27765828/

...and that story in there about Hibbert getting stitches to a bad ankle last week at HT against West Brom beggars belief. Moyes had a RB on the bench to put in his place and Hibbo was having a torrid time first half anyway. This manager baffles me sometimes he really does.

Terrific lad!

 

[Neiler]

I disagree. Unlike other players he has been given the odd game or 20-30 min. substitution role and it really requires more than that to get into match form and the flow of the game.

He might not be pacy, but his thinking with the ball is. Someone like Matt Le Tissier was never pacy, never did any defensive work - he was the quarterback of Southampton, he required protection, but was a game-changer. I see Bilya in the same light. He really must start against Chelsea.

Personaly i think his performences have hindered the team on occasion and from that point of view he hasnt earned a place in the team, he needs to want it and fight for it, despite his obvious talent, when hes not doing it he brings little else to the team and our shape looks of.

The Bolton game was a prime example, we looked toothless untill Seamus came on for him.

 

[Tubey]

The thing is, Bily is actually a liability for Everton when he's on the pitch. He's so far off the pace and dallies on the ball constantly.

It doesn't matter whether his name looks good on Football Manager, or he has the crap media invention of a "cultured left foot", as long as he runs like time has slowed down on the pitch he's not going to be good enough for Everton.

Moyes obviously brought him in as a winger, but I can't remember him either beating a man with ball at feet, or actually making a run down the byline.

As someone said earlier, he's in all likelihood the latest in a long line of Everton flops, and is very comparable to Van der Meyde, except Bily is a lot, lot costlier.

You know who he reminds me of actually? He plays exactly like Ginola did when at Everton - no pace, the odd good pass, but generally needs five minutes on the ball to look comfortable.

 

[Summerskin]

Instead of writing off a player because he hasn't lived up to this "name" that he has, why don't we embrace a very talented foreign player who's attitude from that echo article comes across as nothing but class??

You can all rave about mercenaries like Hetinga and (to a very small extent) Pienaar, sure, they're quality but Everton want players that want to be here.

 

[devinewilliam]

I said the same thing about Felli last year, before he got into the form that made him one of our best players befor his injury.
Billy is definitely not a winger, he lacks pace and the mentality to run back to back up Bainesy, something Peanuts does every minute of every game. If Moyes chucks him in the middle, he can maybe produce some magic with his cuts inside, just look at the goal against Man. United last year. Class.