2019/20 Bill Kenwright

[Lanolin]

How is referencing moyes mentality who left 7 years ago comparable to the complaints of a man that preceded him and is still here to this day in a position of power? Your "simile" is lacks any clear definition and is skewed drastically in the definition of a time frame. You might as well of be talking about smiths mentality for the similarity it has with kenwright. Maybe its just one of those things that made sense in your head when you wrote it?

Nah, mate you're right obviously it's just a one off game and we can't have a go at kenwright for his continued trophyless reign as owner or the fact the club has done nothing but decline since he got on the board, or the fact he saddled us with crazy debt by taking out a loan with insane intrest that the club was supposed to pay off with the cable money but it fell through and kneecapped us in the transfer market for the next decade and a half. Or the fact that he managed to mess up the kings dock stadium. Or the fact he nearly sold us once to some mush in a bed sit by accident. Or the fact that he allowed us to go 2 years without signing a player for any money at a time when the squad desperately needed refreshing. Or the fact that he's signed off on a kitbag deal worth 3 million a year for 10 years when over that decade the going rate more then tripled. Or the fact that he's absolutely inept commercially where he's stuck with sponsors like Chang who were paying us 1.5m a season compared to Sunderland who were relagation fodder and getting 20m a season for their shirt sponsor.

But, nah. Lets all just forget all that because it was all just a one off game and there's no big picture. Just a one off game so no big deal. I hope your wrists don't get cramp from all that clapping you do mate.

Back to school tomorrow is it mate, don't let them be too hard on you.

 

[Bluewolf]

Back to school tomorrow is it mate, don't let them be too hard on you.

Ironic really as in my exsperience the only people who support kenwright seem to be the kids that don't know any different then him being in charge...strange that.

It's also sad, really, really sad.

 

[Lanolin]

Ironic really as in my exsperience the only people who support kenwright seem to be the kids that don't know any different then him being in charge...strange that.

It's also sad, really, really sad.

Ok i'll try one more time to see if you can understand. It's a long shot but i'm a sucker for trying to help the hard of thinking.

I don't support Kenwright. I don't know what there is to support really, he's a minority shareholder, who should have no influence at the club anymore. If he still does, then I blame Moshiri for allowing him that influence.

I don't blame him for things that happened when he was a minority shareholder in 1989, 10 years before he took over, and I don't blame him for things that are happening now either. That doesn't mean that I believe him to be blameless or that he doesn't have responsibility for how things panned out while he was actually in charge. If he'd been on the board since 1983 I wouldn't give him credit for our golden period (and i'm pretty certain you wouldn't and so are being deliberately unfair with your timeline) so he doesn't get the blame for a poor period at that point either. He made some bad, bad cock ups when he was actually the main man though. I hold him responsible for them.

I don't believe that performances like yesterday have anything to do with him. At all. On any level. I think anybody who does is operating in a childlike bubble, where they like to wrap everything up together in a neat little bundle so that it makes sense to them and they don't have to actually think about things. I tried to use the example of Moyes to show how the same thing happened with him but can actually be proven to be incorrect, but because I didn't draw it out for you in crayon you couldn't understand it. I hope you've had more luck with this.

 

[mahermi1]

Look I'm not Kenwright's biggest fan, but are some people actually blaming last night's debacle on him ? Bill will be just as gutted as us, he may not have held onto us for too long and not have been the greatest owner, but Christ it's the players who deserve the abuse not the owners.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Look I'm not Kenwright's biggest fan, but are some people actually blaming last night's debacle on him ? Bill will be just as gutted as us, he may not have held onto us for too long and not have been the greatest owner, but Christ it's the players who deserve the abuse not the owners.

The result itself? Obviously not. Nobody is blaming Bill Kenwright for that. What people are blaming him for is creating (or at least playing a very big part in creating) a boys club culture at this cub where mediocrity is the norm and is something to just be shrugged off. Where sentiment is more important then success, when failure is commonplace and mismanagement part and parcel of the club. We wouldn't actually be that broken up (upset sure, but not this devastated) about yesterday's result if it was just one terrible match in isolation, but it isn't, is it? Its just the latest in an endless string of humiliations we've had to suffer under the watch of worst, most incompetent and inept chairman in football.

 

[Bluewolf]

Ok i'll try one more time to see if you can understand. It's a long shot but i'm a sucker for trying to help the hard of thinking.

I don't support Kenwright. I don't know what there is to support really, he's a minority shareholder, who should have no influence at the club anymore. If he still does, then I blame Moshiri for allowing him that influence.

I don't blame him for things that happened when he was a minority shareholder in 1989, 10 years before he took over, and I don't blame him for things that are happening now either. That doesn't mean that I believe him to be blameless or that he doesn't have responsibility for how things panned out while he was actually in charge. If he'd been on the board since 1983 I wouldn't give him credit for our golden period (and i'm pretty certain you wouldn't and so are being deliberately unfair with your timeline) so he doesn't get the blame for a poor period at that point either. He made some bad, bad cock ups when he was actually the main man though. I hold him responsible for them.

I don't believe that performances like yesterday have anything to do with him. At all. On any level. I think anybody who does is operating in a childlike bubble, where they like to wrap everything up together in a neat little bundle so that it makes sense to them and they don't have to actually think about things. I tried to use the example of Moyes to show how the same thing happened with him but can actually be proven to be incorrect, but because I didn't draw it out for you in crayon you couldn't understand it. I hope you've had more luck with this.

Kenwright has been a board member since 1989 he has been our chairman since 2004 to even insinuate he has no power in this club is ludicrous.

Your point is a very good one about moyes but unfortunately it leans more towards the people debating against you then actually helping your point. Proving that moyes mentality was a symptom of kenwrights reign and negligence while in positions of power at the club.

If kenwright would of been in positions of power while I would quite happily given him credit for it because it's what he would of deserved. In reality though as soon as he got onto the board at Everton is when things started to go belly up for this club that's just simple fact.

You use inflammatory words such as childlike repeatedly and your post come from a failing attempt of a superior intellectual point of view. Yet you seem to just be another happy clapper. I've raised many points against kenwright you've replied to none.

It does make me laugh when you see a kenwright supporter now a days. Seeing someone saying "I'm not a kenwright supporter but..."

 

[Papa Shango]

The result itself? Obviously not. Nobody is blaming Bill Kenwright for that. What people are blaming him for is creating (or at least playing a very big part in creating) a boys club culture at this cub where mediocrity is the norm and is something to just be shrugged off. Where sentiment is more important then success, when failure is commonplace and mismanagement part and parcel of the club. We wouldn't actually be that broken up (upset sure, but not this devastated) about yesterday's result if it was just one terrible match in isolation, but it isn't, is it? Its just the latest in an endless string of humiliations we've had to suffer under the watch of worst, most incompetent and inept chairman in football.

We have not accepted mediocrity for years now, loads of money spent, loads of managers brought in, DOF and now one of the top managers in football.

We are still crap.

Even if Kenwright's perceived failings are correct they still have zero bearing on where we are now as we are far removed from when he was in total charge.

 

[Lanolin]

Kenwright has been a board member since 1989 he has been our chairman since 2004 to even insinuate he has no power in this club is ludicrous.

Your point is a very good one about moyes but unfortunately it leans more towards the people debating against you then actually helping your point. Proving that moyes mentality was a symptom of kenwrights reign and negligence while in positions of power at the club.

If kenwright would of been in positions of power while I would quite happily given him credit for it because it's what he would of deserved. In reality though as soon as he got onto the board at Everton is when things started to go belly up for this club that's just simple fact.

You use inflammatory words such as childlike repeatedly and your post come from a failing attempt of a superior intellectual point of view. Yet you seem to just be another happy clapper. I've raised many points against kenwright you've replied to none.

It does make me laugh when you see a kenwright supporter now a days. Seeing someone saying "I'm not a kenwright supporter but..."

I'm being condescending towards you because you're an idiot. Hope that helps.

 

[Peter The Dog]

Nothing against him, but I think it's time for him to move on.

 

[4737carlin]

Stop trying to downplay his influence. He holds the role as CHAIRMAN of the club.

Daniel Levy is a minor shareholder and chairman of Tottenham yet he is very influential at Spurs.

He has just landed us an elite manager, the best thing that has happened to Everton for a long time, not really the time to be moaning about Bill.

 

[BNJ1878]

It is more of the culture he has fostered in his time at the club. When a football club gets more recognition for being a charity, your priorities are out of whack.

Giving rambling speeches and hugging/kissing players for doing what they are paid to do sets the wrong message.

Having a near full coaching staff of ex players who did nothing as players sets the wrong message.

If Everton could be summed up in one sentence since kenwright took over, it's that "it's ok if we don't win because we're a family".

Perfectly captured. That's EXACTLY what his legacy will be.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

We have not accepted mediocrity for years now, loads of money spent, loads of managers brought in, DOF and now one of the top managers in football.

We are still crap.

Even if Kenwright's perceived failings are correct they still have zero bearing on where we are now as we are far removed from when he was in total charge.

We have accepted mediocrity for decades.

The appointment of Anchelotti is the first proper sign of ambition that we've show in thirty odd years and even now most people know that where it up to Kenwright we'd have Moyes back here.

How on earth are we far removed from when he was in total charge? We have a mediocre crap team that never wins trophies or derbies or big away games or big games in general or even a few games on the road. Basically we're exactly the same as when Kenwright was in total control. We're in almost the same position. The only difference is that we've gone from hoping to get fifth and sixth to hoping for seventh and eighth because a few other clubs showed ambition and passed us by. There's hardly any difference at all.

 

[Bluewolf]

I'm being condescending towards you because you're an idiot. Hope that helps.

Fair enough if you're going to resort to childish name calling I'll leave you to your clapping then because you've alread shown how far your ability to debate goes.

Remember a wise man once wrote " There is nothing worse then a fool who thinks they are smarter then anyone else"

 

[Papa Shango]

We have accepted mediocrity for decades.

The appointment of Anchelotti is the first proper sign of ambition that we've show in thirty odd years and even now most people know that where it up to Kenwright we'd have Moyes back here.

How on earth are we far removed from when he was in total charge? We have a mediocre crap team that never wins trophies or derbies or big away games or big games in general or even a few games on the road. Basically we're exactly the same as when Kenwright was in total control. We're in almost the same position. The only difference is that we've gone from hoping to get fifth and sixth to hoping for seventh and eighth because a few other clubs showed ambition and passed us by. There's hardly any difference at all.

Since Moshiri has come in we have spent a ridiculous amount of money, brought in a well regarded DOF and a top manager. The managers who have field (apart from Allardyce) have generally been up and coming managers or those with a decent history.

The ambition has been there ever since Moshiri arrived, but it means nothing if we don't make the correct decisions.

If we are in the same position as we were under Kenwright yet have changed our ambitions then I don't see how that's on Kenwright? It really makes no sense.

 

[GwladysBlue]

He has just landed us an elite manager, the best thing that has happened to Everton for a long time, not really the time to be moaning about Bill.

Bill did not broker any deal to bring Ancelotti to Everton. If it was up to Kenwright, we’d have had Moyes in by now.

Italian sources and The Financial Times say it was Usmanov who brokered the deal and The Echo day it was Moshiri and Brands.

Kenwright takes no glory from bringing Ancelotti to the club.