Away record v Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal

[dholliday]

we were unlucky hodgson got sacked before the second derby in 2011 aswell.

hahaha we're unlucky because our rivals sack their crap managers...not heard that one before ‎

 

[summerisle]

 

[Number_25]

Everton, that.

 

[Wat Tyler]

It’s a shameful record.

 

[Saint Domingo]

When the owner talks about expected losses though is it a surprise?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Well this is cheery news this beautiful morning.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Off the top of my head I think, we’ve won once at man u in 25 years (when Moyes was manager), not won at chelsea since 94 (penalties doesn’t count), not won at arsenal since 1996. We haven’t won at spurs or city since they became part of the top six. Pathetic.

 

[efcjames]

If we're drawing 0-0 at half time against a relatively good team you just know we will go and bottle it in the second half.

 

[Death]

I think it's embarrassing and shocking and bordering on surreal.

A number of people on this forum were praising our performance in the match on Sunday. However i don't, we will not go to the Emirates and get as good a chance to beat Arsenal as we were gifted this Sunday and lost 2 nil. At 55 minutes there only looked 1 winner, 10 minutes later that was the other team. Why were none of the chances taken? There is zero chance Arsenal can be that bad next year, they were horrendous.

We are talking 20+ years at these stadiums of visiting and coming back empty handed. It's utterly pitiful. Its a mentality thing that desperately needs sorting out. Arsenal performed like a mid table / bottom half team on Sunday. Where was the determination from our players to kill the game off, to be ruthless and believe.

I'm sorry but if you put all the games of the runs against these teams together you are going into around 70 games without a single win. It's now at a point where you would be tempted to bet against an Everton win in these games because you already know what's going to happen.

As someone who has sat through every single one of them it is painful to watch and gets worse when it's handed on a plate and you still don't take it. The club has serious deep mentality issues engraved into it and 20 years on its not changing.

That's the thing, they don't believe. It's all psychological. Ye always see lesser teams bottle it when they get themselves in a good position against the big boys. But we are on a different level with them records. It's all psychological it's the only explanation to why so long and the multitude of teams.

It's no coincidence Moyes was in the opposite dugout when we got that long awaited old Trafford victory.

 

[Toast]

I ended up draped over the front row barrier of the top balcony like Kevin Keegan when DCL missed that chance at the end.

Not learned how to improve his finishing since either has he.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

we will not go to the Emirates and get as good a chance to beat Arsenal as we were gifted this Sunda

Best chance we’ve ever had to beat Arsenal away was the 5-1 mauling under Allardyce. Arsenal we’re on a really bad run, confidence was low and their fans were fuming. Yet instead of taking advantage of these things Allardyce went and parked the bus from the 1st minute when he should have gone and had a go. If I remember rightly Allardyce in his pre match press conference was saying how cack Arsenal were at the back, and how soft they were as a team.

 

[Ring master]

Never mind one's mentioned in the 1st post,our away record anywhere is not good really,

 

[TraffordBlue]

Haven't beaten City since 2010 or Spurs since 2008 either.

As much as they've been great for the club over the years, the sooner the likes of Baines and Jagielka are no longer around the place, the better in regard to this. Both of them are prime examples of how our players crumble under the pressure of these types of games, and when a referee or opposition player does something that either of them should be outraged about they put up with it with very little fight. It speaks volumes and there would be justification to include Coleman in with those 2 as well, as good as he's been.

 

[Papa Shango]

That's the thing, they don't believe. It's all psychological. Ye always see lesser teams bottle it when they get themselves in a good position against the big boys. But we are on a different level with them records. It's all psychological it's the only explanation to why so long and the multitude of teams.

It's no coincidence Moyes was in the opposite dugout when we got that long awaited old Trafford victory.

I think that generally applies to the fans too. We always fear the worst.

 

[Bluerover]

I posted elsewhere that there is something seriously wrong with the psychological strength of Everton teams who panic when things don't go their way.

Dublin GAA Footballers won one All Ireland Championship in 1983, the next in 1995 before another in 2011. Since Jim Gavin became manager they have won in 2013, and four in a row 2015-2018.

This article from 2017 gives some indication of the difference he has brought in terms of psychology to the squad. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dublin-senior-football-team-psychology-behind-success-keith-begley


If you don't want to read it all these are some key points:

A central tenet of their success is the importance of the team. Nothing compromises the team and it is the manager’s role to see that this happens. In this light, it is easy to understand why Jim Gavin steers away from the limelight, is slow to engage with the media and is reluctant to take the plaudits and celebrity status that is often bestowed on an All Ireland winning manager. Gavin instead suggests that it is all about the players and their success and they must always come first.

..... the late great Dermot Earley of Roscommon football fame who was then an officer of Oglaigh na hEireann (Irish Army). “I was 18 and I hardly knew who he was, but I remember his first words to me –the biggest reward is doing something well and to the best of your ability. That’s what we said to the Dublin players”.

In a managerial context that is how he sees himself too – that he is there to serve; to be the best that he can be and in this light, he seeks out the best advice, and expects the same from his backroom team. In the same interview, he stated that they had a very open leadership style where player’s opinions were both encouraged and valued where every player is valued and treated equally irrespective if they are a star player or someone on the tail end of the panel.

Gavin is hugely interested in motivation and is more interested in the “Why” than the “What” – why do they play? Why do they put in such effort? If the “Why” is right, the “What” will look after itself. He leads a values led approach to his managerial reign with values such as respect, self awareness, honour and humility picked up during his time with the defence forces. He walks the walk on these values too showing the humility to regularly coach a group of under 10 kids at his home club Round Towers in Clondalkin on days after the big days out in Croke Park.


Some food for thought although the major difference in the "why" with GAA is that they are all amateurs - yet they would go through a brick wall for their team and this manager. Not so with most EPL players I fear.