Allardyce: Pathetic

[goodisonopheliac]

Nothing will change until Williams Gueye Schneiderlin Keane Bolasie Martina Siggurdson are gone.

I disagree about Sigurdsson and Gueye, but the rest can get stuffed. They're Koeman's signings, don't forget. Most of the Martinez / Moyes players are gone. Holgate, McCarthy, Robles, Jags, Coleman, Baines and Niasse are the only ones left.

Allardyce is an obvious target but these players have refused to play for anyone some as far back as Martinez. Until they are jettisoned a new manager will go the same way. They refuse to follow any instruction from any manager.

Which ones? Most of the ones who played yesterday weren't here when Martinez was in charge. Kenny (academy) and Niasse (Martinez signing) were the only ones in the starting line-up not bought by Koeman or Allardyce. Pickford, Schneiderlin, Williams, Martina, Keane, Gueye and Bolasie were Koeman signings. Walcott and Mangala are Allardyce signings. And on the bench you've got two Martinez signings (Robles and Holgate) and one academy player (Davies). None of Moyes' charges were anywhere near the squad.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I disagree about Sigurdsson and Gueye, but the rest can get stuffed. They're Koeman's signings, don't forget. Most of the Martinez / Moyes players are gone. Holgate, McCarthy, Robles, Jags, Coleman, Baines and Niasse are the only ones left.

Most of them (Coleman aside) let Martinez down too. Wasn’t long ago they were getting pumped 4-0 at Anfield after another no show. Gueye has been central to most of our poor performances. Be’s A very average player who doesn’t turn up away from home. Siggurdson is the modern day version of David Bentley without any pace.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Gueye's always paired with Schneiderlin, which doesn't help. Siggy is overpriced but at least he scores goals sometimes, I guess :/

 

[Toffeelover]

As much as I don’t want Allardyce here he’s right about the psychology of this team. Surprise surprise: if you pull together a bunch of players making their way down in the game rather than up in the game, they don’t have the heart to fight for anything. Their reputations aren’t on the line and they have comfortable lives.

The poor thing for Allardyce is that he doesn’t look capable of doing anything about it either.

Get to 40 points then I’m just hoping that Moshiri pulls his finger out and implements a proper strategy for the club that extends to on pitch matters.

About the players, good point. How many of our players from the academy were on the pitch yesterday???

 

[Toffeelover]

Most of them (Coleman aside) let Martinez down too. Wasn’t long ago they were getting pumped 4-0 at Anfield after another no show. Gueye has been central to most of our poor performances. Be’s A very average player who doesn’t turn up away from home. Siggurdson is the modern day version of David Bentley without any pace.

By reference to the last season of RM is good, it is then that the likes of our older players should have been moved on and replaced.

 

[the golden visionary]

This article in the independent by Luke Brown had got the situation nailed.

Sam Allardyce’s dismissive response to Lookman’s goal was utterly indicative of the club's problems this season

Ademola Lookman scored the winner on his RB Leipzig debut Getty
The timing could hardly have been worse for Sam Allardyce. In London, his damningly lopsided Everton team were limping to a 5-1 defeat to Arsene Wenger’s freshly glossed Arsenal. Meanwhile in the German city of Mönchengladbach, Ademola Lookmanwas celebrating a last-gasp winner on his debut for RB Leipzig.

Some goal it was too. Optimistically chucked on as a second-half substitute, the 20-year-old collected a pass from Naby Keïta and drifted past two backpedalling defenders, before feathering an inch-perfect low shot across the face of goal, just beyond the flat-footed dive of Tobias Sippel. It was the first goal scored by an Englishman in the Bundesliga since Owen Hargreaves over a decade ago.

After Everton’s motley crew had miserably trudged down the tunnel at The Emirates, it didn’t take long for a grim-faced Allardyce to be told of Lookman’s feat by the assembled press pack. Did he – they most humbly enquired –perhaps now regret his decision to send Lookman out on loan on the very last day of the transfer window? Did he heck.


“No,” was the answer. Then a slight shake of the head. A puff of the cheeks. And an explanation.

“I've got Yannick Bolasie who cost thirty million quid and Theo Walcott who cost twenty million quid and both have a lot more experience than Lookman, so no. If you had put him out there he wouldn't have done any better than the rest because the whole team played crap.”

And there you have it: Everton’s current malaise explained away in all of twenty seconds. This season has seen Everton embark upon a spending splurge the likes of which have not been seen at the club before, with 16 players arriving to the tune of some £182m. But the true cost runs even deeper. Because Everton have lost their direction, their identity and any sense of long-term

Allardyce was parachuted into the club with the simple task of keeping them safely away from the relegation places and so has little interest in developing the likes of Lookman. Ditto Tom Davies: who started the thrashing on the subs bench. Allardyce is a short-term fix with short-term objectives, unwilling and unable to see beyond a player’s price tag and what they can offer his nuts and bolts team in the here and now.


And really, can anybody blame him? Allardyce has made a career out of being the right man at the wrong time. He knows his hard-boiled brand of football does not naturally fit at Goodison Park, and that there is precious little chance of his contract extending beyond the 2018/19 season. There is no personal reward for him gambling on the likes of Lookman.

The irony of the situation is that Everton’s only answer to the short-termism that is in danger of crippling the club is, perhaps, yet more drama and upheaval in the short-term. Marco Silva– the manager they tried so hard to prise away from Watford just a few weeks ago – is now out of contract and available to take over. Allardyce is no permanent solution, and has succeeded in his task of steering the club away from the drop.

Is it already time for Farhad Moshiri to make another difficult decision?

The longer he delays, the more precarious the club’s future appears. Allardyce has no interest in the long-term future of the club. Now is the time for Moshiri to prove that he does

 

[blueloon]

This article in the independent by Luke Brown had got the situation nailed.

Sam Allardyce’s dismissive response to Lookman’s goal was utterly indicative of the club's problems this season

Ademola Lookman scored the winner on his RB Leipzig debut Getty
The timing could hardly have been worse for Sam Allardyce. In London, his damningly lopsided Everton team were limping to a 5-1 defeat to Arsene Wenger’s freshly glossed Arsenal. Meanwhile in the German city of Mönchengladbach, Ademola Lookmanwas celebrating a last-gasp winner on his debut for RB Leipzig.

Some goal it was too. Optimistically chucked on as a second-half substitute, the 20-year-old collected a pass from Naby Keïta and drifted past two backpedalling defenders, before feathering an inch-perfect low shot across the face of goal, just beyond the flat-footed dive of Tobias Sippel. It was the first goal scored by an Englishman in the Bundesliga since Owen Hargreaves over a decade ago.

After Everton’s motley crew had miserably trudged down the tunnel at The Emirates, it didn’t take long for a grim-faced Allardyce to be told of Lookman’s feat by the assembled press pack. Did he – they most humbly enquired –perhaps now regret his decision to send Lookman out on loan on the very last day of the transfer window? Did he heck.


“No,” was the answer. Then a slight shake of the head. A puff of the cheeks. And an explanation.

“I've got Yannick Bolasie who cost thirty million quid and Theo Walcott who cost twenty million quid and both have a lot more experience than Lookman, so no. If you had put him out there he wouldn't have done any better than the rest because the whole team played crap.”

And there you have it: Everton’s current malaise explained away in all of twenty seconds. This season has seen Everton embark upon a spending splurge the likes of which have not been seen at the club before, with 16 players arriving to the tune of some £182m. But the true cost runs even deeper. Because Everton have lost their direction, their identity and any sense of long-term

Allardyce was parachuted into the club with the simple task of keeping them safely away from the relegation places and so has little interest in developing the likes of Lookman. Ditto Tom Davies: who started the thrashing on the subs bench. Allardyce is a short-term fix with short-term objectives, unwilling and unable to see beyond a player’s price tag and what they can offer his nuts and bolts team in the here and now.


And really, can anybody blame him? Allardyce has made a career out of being the right man at the wrong time. He knows his hard-boiled brand of football does not naturally fit at Goodison Park, and that there is precious little chance of his contract extending beyond the 2018/19 season. There is no personal reward for him gambling on the likes of Lookman.

The irony of the situation is that Everton’s only answer to the short-termism that is in danger of crippling the club is, perhaps, yet more drama and upheaval in the short-term. Marco Silva– the manager they tried so hard to prise away from Watford just a few weeks ago – is now out of contract and available to take over. Allardyce is no permanent solution, and has succeeded in his task of steering the club away from the drop.

Is it already time for Farhad Moshiri to make another difficult decision?

The longer he delays, the more precarious the club’s future appears. Allardyce has no interest in the long-term future of the club. Now is the time for Moshiri to prove that he does

Came here to write a shorter and less eloquent version of that. Big Sam will ensure we don’t get relegated, leave with a big payoff sooner the better , and reappear at a decent but struggling to avoid relegation club next season. He’ll pick a club with the right degree of desperation , money and a few decent players to ensure he can keep his tag of never been relegated. If you want short term survival and long term mediocrity Sam’s your man.

 

[Fansince1988]

Gueye's always paired with Schneiderlin, which doesn't help. Siggy is overpriced but at least he scores goals sometimes, I guess :/

I'm pretty sure if this season,if Koeman hadn't have been obsessed with playing Gueye and Schneiderlin we would probably be at least 10 points better off and Koeman would be still in charge. The partnership is that bad, I feel sorry for Gueye to be part of it as he's a very good player, it's Schneiderlin that's the problem he shows no effort desire drive aggression at all, looks scared to tackle. Rooney or Davies there would have solved the problem. Now Sams doing exactly the same, yesterday the other 2 were on the bench and it was just the same again with that partnership, when Davies came on we improved massively. If someone wanted Schneiderlin why didn't we let him go? I reckon his attitude stinks to, we got Mirallas and Barkley out of the way who both had bad attitudes towards us, but we are still left with one in Schneiderlin.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

I'd rather keep Gueye out of the two. He was fine last season.

About the players, good point. How many of our players from the academy were on the pitch yesterday???

2, Kenny and Davies. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Jimishorts]

What’s pathetic is the total apathy and lack of accountability shown by FSA, Walsh and about 85% of our over-inflated, over-payed, over-hyped squad.

Really hoped that gravy swigger could have proved most of us wrong by taking his chance at our grand old club and showed he’s more than just a money grabbing dinosaur who’s employed to get 40pts and no more. Sadly not.

Get us safe, take your money and jog on Bisto breath.

 

[Death]

Depressing seeing him talk about price tags over merit.

It's almost like its a dig at Walsh. But surely picking them would undermine that.

 

[Death]

The Lookman scenario is he final nail for me.

 

[ilikecheese]

The Lookman fiasco is he final nail for me.

Fixed!

 

[Death]

He's not getting held to task by the journos cause it's little old Everton.

 

[smileychap]

Most of them (Coleman aside) let Martinez down too. Wasn’t long ago they were getting pumped 4-0 at Anfield after another no show. Gueye has been central to most of our poor performances. Be’s A very average player who doesn’t turn up away from home. Siggurdson is the modern day version of David Bentley without any pace.

Not having David Bentley's pace is a worry.