All good things must come to an end

[sportbillyblue]

If the manager had more options he could change that but we have a penniless owner for the last 13 years who won,t step aside.

he has options, granted not world class options but they are there. There is no doubt that of late he has lost direction, fallen into old, bad habits and his decision making surely has to be questioned, FFS starting Naismith @ Norwich and then keeping him on thr pitch for the 2nd. half .. serious questions to be asked.

In most businesses / projects there would be an inquest, the Manager would be called in and be required to explain the situation. However if the Manager only has limited time left on his contract and stalling at signing a new contract that would typically say to business owners / investors that the fokker isn't interested anymore and that the general apathy apparent more and more on the pitch basically rests at the manager's door. In my line of business he would be shown the door.

 

[Pabbers]

Yawn.

Putting Wembley & 2 European ties in that list somewhat contradicts your point like....

It also contradicts the money issue.

 

[Essex Blue]

So if we've under performed against the lesser sides, then to be in the position we are, then we must have over performed against the better ones then? You can't have both sides of that argument.

Not really, we are where we are right now (mid-table) without having a spectacular record against the big teams, and if we had beaten the teams who have spent far less than us then we would be ahead of Spurs.

Comparing expenditure instead of value is a bit misleading. I mean, Fellaini is supposedly worth 25 million pound, Baines is supposedly worth 20million, and Jagielka is at least a 10 million pound defender. And yet we’ve been dropping points against teams that aren’t valued anywhere near as much as ours.

It’s this entire knife to a gun-fight mentality, and referring to 1998 as a yardstick in 2012 that totally does my head in, and I feel that it plays a crucial part in our constant bottling. However I will acknowledge that it all starts from having nobody invest in the club since Peter Johnson, but Moyes hasn’t half embraced and perpetuated this mentality, because it gives him an excuse when he fails, and enhances his reputation further when he does well.

He will still sign his contract, even though nothing will have changed, because he knows he won't get it any better than at Everton. And we can look forward to another 5 years of mid-table finishes, with people referring back to how bad things were in 1998 in 2018.

 

[Pabbers]

Did someone on this thread really say Moyes took us from being relegation "certainties" ???!!!

That is just made up.

 

[ijjysmith]

Did someone on this thread really say Moyes took us from being relegation "certainties" ???!!!

That is just made up.

Wasn't this one I don't think mate. But was in one of the others!

 

[Pabbers]

Wasn't this one I don't think mate. But was in one of the others!

They feel like one big thread!!!!

 

[BiggyRat]

The lack of resources did not make us lose to Leeds, Oldham, Shrewbusry, Buccharest, Fiorentina, and Wembley last year.

Players are resources too, and without squad depth, those resources can be over used, over relied on, and over the hill.

 

[Pabbers]

Players are resources too, and without squad depth, those resources can be over used, over relied on, and over the hill.

Which is back to managers decisions.

 

[Khalekan]

Did someone on this thread really say Moyes took us from being relegation "certainties" ???!!!

That is just made up.

Yes, someone sure did.

A club which has been relegated twice in its entire history and which has spent no more than three or four seasons out of the top flight since the football league was formed would be "relegation certainties" but for the efforts of the Moyesiah.

We can add necromancing to his growing list of achievements

 

[Khalekan]

Oh right a change to get us going in the right direction???
Are we going in the wrong direction??

U need to be realistic.... We're 6th a little out of form with some tired players. We are where we SHOULD be.

What are ur expectations??? Should we be higher than arse, spurs, Chelsea, city? Even Liverpool who incedentaly have spent 40M this season...

U need to get real... Frustrated yes, angry or wanting change?? Not really!

Here's where this argument falls down.

We have had a run of very winnable fixtures since the turn of the year.

Swansea home, Saints away, Baggies home, Villa home, United away, Norwich away.

Fifteen points available for the five games outside of the OT game.

We took six points from that fifteen and that is why we find ourselves now all but out of the CL hunt.

And you can't put that down to lack of funds because I doubt any of the clubs we played in that run have greater resources than EFC.

We could and should have taken more points against these teams who wouldn't be "expected" to be above us.

That is where we are falling down.

The inability to close out games against the likes of Reading, Fulham, Norwich twice, Newcastle at home etc had cost us dear.

Is it too much to ask of the four millipn dollar man to show some balls and tactical accumen when we are in winning positions and go and stuff teams the way practically other team in the top half of the table seem able to?


This run of real bad form has coincided with Moyes's antics over his contract.

This may or may not be having a detrimental effect on the players but one things is for sure, it's not condusive to fostering the type of team spirit needed when we were approaching the business end of what had looked a very promising one two short months ago.

 

[toffeejack]

Some people are getting infracted in here.


On topic.

Sacking Moyes now would be badly pointless. We'd have to pay a bit of compensation to him for a start.

exactly, we have a great chance to win the cup if we got a born winner in charge, but we don't have the finances to pay him compensation now and who knows, he may actually win the cup. would be a fitting end to his tenure and something i'd love to se. But we seriously need change at everton now, not saying it would improve us, not saying it would make us worse, but we're just going sideways atm along the 7th place mark, it's not good enough for us, we're not sunderland.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

What's this good thing coming an end?

Moyes should have left 4 years ago. Iv been saying since then. Were stale we've not moved on.

Were poor under him. Our football has always been ****e under moyes.

He doesn't set teams up to win, just not to lose.

That's why he'll never win anything with us.

 

[TheFinnFan]

What's this good thing coming an end?

Moyes should have left 4 years ago. Iv been saying since then. Were stale we've not moved on.

Were poor under him. Our football has always been ****e under moyes.

He doesn't set teams up to win, just not to lose.

That's why he'll never win anything with us.

who do you want to see after moyes

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Not really, we are where we are right now (mid-table) without having a spectacular record against the big teams, and if we had beaten the teams who have spent far less than us then we would be ahead of Spurs.

Comparing expenditure instead of value is a bit misleading. I mean, Fellaini is supposedly worth 25 million pound, Baines is supposedly worth 20million, and Jagielka is at least a 10 million pound defender. And yet we’ve been dropping points against teams that aren’t valued anywhere near as much as ours.

It’s this entire knife to a gun-fight mentality, and referring to 1998 as a yardstick in 2012 that totally does my head in, and I feel that it plays a crucial part in our constant bottling. However I will acknowledge that it all starts from having nobody invest in the club since Peter Johnson, but Moyes hasn’t half embraced and perpetuated this mentality, because it gives him an excuse when he fails, and enhances his reputation further when he does well.

He will still sign his contract, even though nothing will have changed, because he knows he won't get it any better than at Everton. And we can look forward to another 5 years of mid-table finishes, with people referring back to how bad things were in 1998 in 2018.

That last paragraph scares the living ****e out if me ...

 

[ijjysmith]

Here's where this argument falls down.

We have had a run of very winnable fixtures since the turn of the year.

Swansea home, Saints away, Baggies home, Villa home, United away, Norwich away.

Fifteen points available for the five games outside of the OT game.

We took six points from that fifteen and that is why we find ourselves now all but out of the CL hunt.

And you can't put that down to lack of funds because I doubt any of the clubs we played in that run have greater resources than EFC.

We could and should have taken more points against these teams who wouldn't be "expected" to be above us.

That is where we are falling down.

The inability to close out games against the likes of Reading, Fulham, Norwich twice, Newcastle at home etc had cost us dear.

Is it too much to ask of the four millipn dollar man to show some balls and tactical accumen when we are in winning positions and go and stuff teams the way practically other team in the top half of the table seem able to?


This run of real bad form has coincided with Moyes's antics over his contract.

This may or may not be having a detrimental effect on the players but one things is for sure, it's not condusive to fostering the type of team spirit needed when we were approaching the business end of what had looked a very promising one two short months ago.

Good post that.

Not sure what Ted Dibiase has to do with it though.