Afghanistan

[mallo]

Why are we still shocked at this?

The army was created to defend against and to attack other armies. They use guns, bombs and other such destructive devices. The risk is there, I made a simple choice in life. Do I want to put my life in the hands of people who are not prepared to take the same risks themselves? No, are you mad? I don't want to die for a pointless conflict which has nothing to do with us whatsoever.

I know all about the American theory of "Those who have the ability to do something about a situation, have the responsibility". Fair enough, but what are the Americans and the British defending? As far as I am aware we are not getting bombed so get the **** out and leave them to sort their own [Poor language removed] out.

as soon as we withdraw the taliban would revert to making bombs instead of fighting, and sooner or later we would see those bombs in the uk

can some people not see the effects of withdrawing all of a sudden, just because 5 more men have died, even though they were aware of that chance when they went out there? if they were to do that would that not defeat the point of the army in defending their country and being at war?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Hardly the same threat though, Danny, to be fair. 1939: do **** all = get invaded by a murderous superpower; 2009: do **** all = err...not quite sure.

Who's to know?

Historical context here - if you think Germany were a muderous superpower in 1933 - your massively, massively mistaken.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

Honestly mate, it'd be right to argue With you if you had any semblance of a point but you're so far off here that it's not even Worth it.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

as soon as we withdraw the taliban would revert to making bombs instead of fighting, and sooner or later we would see those bombs in the uk

can some people not see the effects of withdrawing all of a sudden, just because 5 more men have died, even though they were aware of that chance when they went out there? if they were to do that would that not defeat the point of the army in defending their country and being at war?

So you don't think invading a state run by fanatical Muslims INCREASES the chances of other fanatical Muslims attacking us?

I'd say We're under far more threat being IN Afghanistan than if We left them to it.

 

[mallo]

killing other kids for no reason doesn't ******* justify the deaths of other kids.

its their job, just like its moysies job to manage everton, they ar trained for the possibility they may need to kill. they might not uderstand why or might not want to but its their job

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Honestly mate, it'd be right to argue With you if you had any semblance of a point but you're so far off here that it's not even Worth it.

ah, okay.

Thats me told.



Honestly, do some reading on events prior WW2. Comparisons are clear to see.

 

[mallo]

So you don't think invading a state run by fanatical Muslims INCREASES the chances of other fanatical Muslims attacking us?

I'd say We're under far more threat being IN Afghanistan than if We left them to it.

the 'fanatical muslims' think by commiting terrorism acts they will go to heaven or the equivalent...so if we left them to it can you not see they will soon terrorise the country, just like they did in london, madrid and on 9/11?

of course by invading we are trying to stop the fanatical muslims from doing this, rather than as you say leave them to it, an let them kill innocent britains?

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

its their job, just like its moysies job to manage everton, they ar trained for the possibility they may need to kill. they might not uderstand why or might not want to but its their job

Sorry I think you misunderstood, I'm saying sending OUR kids into situations Where it's probably that some Will die, for no reason other than to make the families of currently dead men feel better about their pointless deaths isn't noble at all.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

ah, okay.

Thats me told.



Honestly, do some reading on events prior WW2. Comparisons are clear to see.

*sigh*

 

[monty]

So you don't think invading a state run by fanatical Muslims INCREASES the chances of other fanatical Muslims attacking us?

I'd say We're under far more threat being IN Afghanistan than if We left them to it.

TBH my nephew has served in both theatres of conflict Iraq and Afghanistan, He says that the vast majority of troops believe in what they are doing. We are fighting the Taliban, not the Afghanis, their influence knows no borders, that is a mistake the ill formed make. It hurts like mad to see young men die but the last thing we should do is stab them in the back, Make no mistake if the Taliban regain control the Pakistani element amongst their ranks, and there are many, will be here blowing us up as they do Baghdad

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

the 'fanatical muslims' think by commiting terrorism acts they will go to heaven or the equivalent...so if we left them to it can you not see they will soon terrorise the country, just like they did in london, madrid and on 9/11?

of course by invading we are trying to stop the fanatical muslims from doing this, rather than as you say leave them to it, an let them kill innocent britains?

Islamic extremists attack the US.
The US invades Afghanistan.
The UK Helps
Then Islamic extremists attack the UK.

We've MADE ourselves a target.

And by the by, as far as I'm aWare the terrorists attacks in Madrid Were ETA? Basc extremists? (usually are..). Unless I'm on a completely different atrocity.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

TBH my nephew has served in both theatres of conflict Iraq and Afghanistan, He says that the vast majority of troops believe in what they are doing. We are fighting the Taliban, not the Afghanis, their influence knows no borders, that is a mistake the ill formed make. It hurts like mad to see young men die but the last thing we should do is stab them in the back, Make no mistake if the Taliban regain control the Pakistani element amongst their ranks, and there are many, will be here blowing us up as they do Baghdad

You mean like they did before We invaded? I remember all those terroist attacks here.

 

[monty]

You mean like they did before We invaded? I remember all those terroist attacks here.

What happened in the Middle East will happen here, why do you think we'll be immune.....................what do you know that no one else does???????

 

[ChicagoToffee]

ah, okay.

Thats me told.



Honestly, do some reading on events prior WW2. Comparisons are clear to see.

Exclusive of the slight industrial, technological, manpower, economic and geographic disparities between Nazi Germany and Afghanistan. On that basis, not even close. Besides, Afghanistan or the Middle East is not being manipulated by one voice like the Germans were.

Idealogues will always be idealogues. America will always be "the Great Satan" just because of our lifestyle, our society and our ability to export that abroad. People who don't have the freedom to choose what they wear, what they say or do whatever they want see America as this fantastical place which rubs idealogues the wrong way.

There's no victory to be had in Afghanistan. Only more misery and waste. Bringing the troops home is not a disservice to those that have served and died. Continuing to throw them in harm's way for the sake of little in return is a disservice.

 

[Dylan]

I am not even going to get into this as ignorance is playing such a large part in forming opinion. So instead, I am going to lock it before someone really says something they don't want too.

/Locked