Current Affairs Afghanistan

[grandjoeblue]

I don't think it's world policing though.

I'm all for individualism. And I'm all for respecting other cultures.

But not when they are so archaic, extremist, disgusting and backward.

It's not a controversial thing to say either. It needs to stop, it's 2021. It's evil.

Where do draw the line though? Various horrendous policies are in place in a variety of countries. Saudi for example aren't exactly forward thinking.

I just don't want to see soldiers sent to a continuous war in a tribal area with an extremely low chance of success.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

He should be swinging on the end of a rope…..

Shia law style, that's the way to share ideologies.

 

[peteblue]

It's an absolute disaster. I wish I knew what the answer is.

The Answer is that Afghanistan now goes back to the 6th Century after 20 slow years of development….

 

[BlueToff]

Where do draw the line though? Various horrendous policies are in place in a variety of countries. Saudi for example aren't exactly forward thinking.

I just don't want to see soldiers sent to a continuous war in a tribal area with an extremely low chance of success.

The Saudi regime is awful - and I've been on here before with that btw - in what they do to their citizens.

I don't want to see a war, 100%. But I don't think the other option is just leaving it either.

God knows, it's a mess. I just feel for the people there and in other nations the west have helped mess up - but also, it can't just be the west that are blamed, the root cause is still these extremist views which should have no place in global society.

 

[Zezti]

I don't think it's world policing though.

I'm all for individualism. And I'm all for respecting other cultures.

But not when they are so archaic, extremist, disgusting and backward.

It's not a controversial thing to say either. It needs to stop, it's 2021. It's evil.

Can't change people through force. God knows we've tried.
Political pressures can help but change has to come from within. It's going to be a long, and horrible process especially for Afghan women, but there are no shortcuts.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

A relief

UK rules out returning troops to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan

UK defence secretary says the Taliban's rapid takeover is a sign of the international community's 'failure'.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Tin-Tin]

Where do draw the line though? Various horrendous policies are in place in a variety of countries. Saudi for example aren't exactly forward thinking.

I just don't want to see soldiers sent to a continuous war in a tribal area with an extremely low chance of success.

Because the Saudi's spend billions on our arms. War is never about trying to help people or save them from dictators/human right atrocities.

Always about greed

 

[Toast]

They even managed to get to the stage of giving people redundancy notices whilst they were deployed over there; people who’d have qualified for a full pension with a few more months of service.

I was very fortunate to have been given a medical pension immediately when I left the forces in my late 20’s.
Didn’t think anything of it at first, but the older lads said it was a boss settlement and it’s certainly helped me out loads.

I know a few who’ve been to Afghanistan and whilst they have been ok, I know from speaking to their families how much the constant worry affected them.

As you say, to be given redundancy whilst out on active duty is a disgrace.
The slightest hint of not being as arsed, and that’s only natural in some cases, could end in tragedy.

 

[Death]

The Answer is that Afghanistan now goes back to the 6th Century after 20 slow years of development….

USA and co massacring they're women and children burning them and/or exploding them for 20 years was never ever going to end in progress.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

A relief

UK rules out returning troops to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan

UK defence secretary says the Taliban's rapid takeover is a sign of the international community's 'failure'.

www.aljazeera.com

No pals down the pub with a spare regiment or two.

 

[LostLegend]

Once again, finger pointing right or left (given Bidens previous on this) isn’t the answer. All have a lot to answer for.

On form though, he goes the number of years wrong

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Because the Saudi's spend billions on our arms. War is never about trying to help people or save them from dictators/human right atrocities.

Always about greed

We should have a minutes silence for the poor shareholders and pensions at this grave time.

 

[edge]

Our window cleaner, smashing chap, lost both legs in Afghanistan…..

Not a very good reference for a window cleaner being a smashing chap, pete

 

[Shevin Keedy]

The vast majority of Afghans support Sharia Law - https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mostly-correct-about-sharia-law-support-afgh/

The reason why the war is not winnable is due to ideology. A sizeable percentage of the general public there to some degree agree with taliban policy.

Its horrible that women and girls will be discriminated against but it happens in other countries around the world. The world police approach just doesn't work.

I think you are right. Many people might look at the scenes in Kabul and think it does not look like support for a Taliban regime, but Kabul is different from the provinces where they will have wider support, and is also a factor in why they swept through provincial cities so easily.

 

[Martin Alvito]

He should be swinging on the end of a rope…..

Again, way harsh.

We had to go in. No response = impeachment proceedings and Cheney goes in. If we go in, you're coming with. That's just how the special relationship works.

The big mistake was going into Iraq without sorting Afghanistan as best we could first. We lacked the force to sort both. Afghanistan probably isn't solvable, but if it was solvable it was in 2002 and 2003.

Doing things the way we did cost a lot of lives, and lost Afghanistan. Biden doesn't own those. He does own the messy pullout.