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I do appreciate the your points.
But I also disagree.
City won the league playing the best football they could afford , they didn’t cheat on the pitch and that is where football is played .
They also develop players through their academy like other clubs.
Financial advantage is something that reoccurs throughout the history of the game.
We had it in the 60’s under JM and were disliked for it , but in that period we produced some of the finest football teams I have ever seen.
The purity you seek has never existed .
The most successful clubs have always had a financial advantage , success breeds success .
When we were ahead of United in titles and they couldn’t buy a success, they paid the best wages by far because of their inherent financial advantage.
Clubs who have sustained success accumulate financial advantage along with it .
This alone warps the idea of a level playing field .
The idea of attempting to limit financial advantage , pursued by the authorities, while good in principal has merely had the effect of ring fencing the successful clubs , it is an artificial restraint that has failed and was always doomed to failure in hindsight.
Punishing clubs because they want to spend money is ridiculous.
Pool all money
Distribute equally
Limit squad sizes
Cap wages
Limit academy players
Put all this in place and you have the level playing field you desire.
Without these measures, we just have to accept it’s a warped sport and just enjoy the spectacle it provides , and pray Everton get lucky .
Or find a modern day equivalent of Brian Clough , the only manager who beat the financial big players consistently with Derby and Forest respectively.

Again mate, you are trying to justify it, by seeing at as extension of something that always been, I’m saying it’s not and given my reasons.

None of the teams you try to tangent with went from nothing to something that quick, nor had been found guilty of cheating by European football authorities twice and are facing 115 by domestic authorities - these are all concurrent facts.

I’m curious why as to why you legitimise what City do? Hie tly not having a go, just don’t know anyone can think what City do is fair, has integrity or is based on merit?
 
I think you can credit UTd on skill and merit to be honest mate. In the period Ferguson started, every single club could afford the players Utd could ourselves included they just did it better that was up to 94, in 94 he dismantled that team and built largely around lads they had developed at the club, we all know who they are in culminating in 99 and early 00s and they supplemented their team with greater resources - but that came from organic building, merit and integrity. Sure it helped that money started to flow into the PL and CL, but it still came on integrity and merit.

The difference between the, City, is Utd the catalyst was skill and youth development. With city it’s just money.

City is something freaky and fake, you could feel it or rather not feel it in our game there last week - it’s weird and fake, I think the fans are even just pretending g to enjoy it, I don’t think they really do though, there is no jeopardy or skill in it.
As I've said, I don't disagree with anything you have said re City, and Chelsea were the blueprint for a "money club" that City followed but I think Man U have built themselves a myth around "doing it the right way"

They were the pioneers of the change from European cup to Champions league - their success was essentially built on bullying EUFA into giving clubs such as themselves more and more money.

Yes, they had a great crop with the Class of 92 and that played a huge part in their success, but the money from UEFA to supplement that is what really made the difference and allowed them to dominate and build on it as they did
 
Again mate, you are trying to justify it, by seeing at as extension of something that always been, I’m saying it’s not and given my reasons.

None of the teams you try to tangent with went from nothing to something that quick, nor had been found guilty of cheating by European football authorities twice and are facing 115 by domestic authorities - these are all comburemt facts.

I’m curious why as to why you legitimise what City do? Hie tly not having a go, just don’t know anyone can think what City do is fair, has integrity or is based on merit?
Because I still judge football primarily by what I witness on the pitch, the rest is peripheral.
I admire City for the quality of their football , and hope to witness Everton produce comparable quality on the pitch as we were once capable of in the increasingly distant past.
Let me ask you this , if City’s owners had chosen Everton would you have walked away on principle?
And if you would have ,why didn’t you walk away when Moshiri arrived backed by Usmanov’s billions ?
Moshiri tried to emulate City but failed miserably not through lack of money but because of very poor judgment.
And since we are being punished for that infusion of money , do you support our punishment on principal ?
 
What I am unclear on is what happens next if our appeal is rejected in full this week ?
Is that it then or do we have recourse to the courts if that is what we decide ?
I’m not entirely sure but I believe you have to abide by the decisions of the PL without recourse to outside courts of law as a condition of association.
Could be wrong though , I often am 🫤
 
Bit of a coincidence us potentially doing a deal with 777 after our red friends doing a deal with 666 all those years ago. What next, Tranmere doing a deal with 888 casino?
 
As I wrote the other day, these people are absolutely skint and have nothing to put into the club, nothing at all except loads more debt.

They won't get approval, even if Masters and company wants to see us plunge into oblivion. Waving through such a fraudulent group would end his and others executives careers', such a level of incompetency would make them unemployable. It would be a doorman for X-rated club letting a gang of 8 year-olds come in.
 
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Because I still judge football primarily by what I witness on the pitch, the rest is peripheral.
I admire City for the quality of their football , and hope to witness Everton produce comparable quality on the pitch as we were once capable of in the increasingly distant past.
Let me ask you this , if City’s owners had chosen Everton would you have walked away on principle?
And if you would have ,why didn’t you walk away when Moshiri arrived backed by Usmanov’s billions ?
Moshiri tried to emulate City but failed miserably not through lack of money but because of very poor judgment.
And since we are being punished for that infusion of money , do you support our punishment on principal ?

Oh City are beautiful team with immense players mate, im not arguing otherwise mate, from a footballing point of view they have great players. If you were to ask me who i think is the best and my favorite player is, in the league in a heart beat id say KDB. Increasingly though i find them a hard watch, but maybe thats just me.

Regardless they didn't pluck KDB from the Belgian League, bring Jack Grealish through, found Rodri in a back street somewhere or brough Erling Haaland down from the mountains, they didnt find this collection of unknowns and harness a great footballing power, or notice how well Pep was doing in the second division in Spain as a manager. It was an organic club that pumped to the limit with cash to be become something steroid filled, fake and brought together by dodgy dealing with their achievements lacking in sporting integrity and without merit because of it, in that they lost their club, they lost their character and identity and now they are just a new club - they aren't City any more. The atmosphere last week was sterile, board and lacking in jeopardy and passion from thier fans, they might tell you otherwise but deep down they know its fake and id say many of them wish for the days of Uwe Roseller, Asa Harford and Shaun Goater and a bit of real integrity merit and jeopardy.

To answer your questions - you can go back to the first week of the forum going forward and ive always advocated my preferred model for the club, has been self sustainability, it may take investment to get there but that my dream. I want a team that can invest in a fair way at players, i want an academy that can produce a Rooney or Brathwaite and i want a club in financial position to keep them and also not have to sell our players every year - that's my dream for this club. My dream is for us to grow the club on a similar model to Spurs and Arsenal.

To be very honest with you if City owners had taken us over, i would have hung around and seen what had panned out, but if we turned into City of today and lost our identity, culture and rubbed out by something fake and clinical - then id think i wouldn't identify with it and be disinterested, it wouldn't feel like Everton.

On Moshiri, same principal i thought he may invest to make us self sustainable, he improved the facilities at Goodision, he planned a new stadium, he wiped debt - he hit a lot of key indicators. Its not just that anyone that invest its bad - its the absolute steroids and smashing of integrity and rules around it that make it un mertitable - they have been found guilty twice of doing it and are facing 115 charges and you want me to say, all is fair and square no.

But back to Moshiri when it became clear that he was drip feeding us and were ultimately dependent on him, i was the first out advocating the dangers that have come to pass and here we are . If Moshiri tired to do what City have done i would be absolutely against it.

On your last point, we arent being punished by an infusion of money, we are being punished for bad management - its not the same thing as City at all- do i think we are guilty - yes i do - do i think we deserve to be punished - we signed up to the rule - so we knew the consequences - you have to take some medicine - do i agree with the scale and application and due process of the punishment - no i dont.

Again i dont know why you are trying to legitimize what Ciy - theyve harmed us there are six points of jeopardy taken away from us every season and they need to be made up somewhere with less scope. I really dont understand how people can collude with it and just accept it as a new norm - not having a personal go or anything mate.
 
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Oh City are beautiful team with immense players mate, im not arguing otherwise mate, from a footballing point of view they have great players. If you were to ask me who i think is the best and my favorite player is, in the league in a heart beat id say KDB. Increasingly though i find them a hard watch, but maybe thats just me.

Regardless they didn't pluck KDB from the Belgian League, bring Jack Grealish through, found Rodri in a back street somewhere or brough Erling Haaland down from the mountains, they didnt find this collection of unknowns and harness a great footballing power, or notice how well Pep was doing in the second division in Spain as a manager. It was an organic club that pumped to the limit with cash to be become something steroid filled, fake and brought together by dodgy dealing with their achievements lacking in sporting integrity and without merit because of it, in that they lost their club, they lost their character and identity and now they are just a new club - they aren't City any more. The atmosphere last week was sterile, board and lacking in jeopardy and passion from thier fans, they might tell you otherwise but deep down they know its fake and id say many of them wish for the days of Uwe Roseller, Asa Harford and Shaun Goater and a bit of real integrity merit and jeopardy.

To answer your questions - you can go back to the first week of the forum going forward and ive always advocated my preferred model for the club, has been self sustainability, it may take investment to get there but that my dream. I want a team that can invest in a fair way at players, i want an academy that can produce a Rooney or Brathwaite and i want a club in financial position to keep them and also not have to sell our players every year - that's my dream for this club. My dream is for us to grow the club on a similar model to Spurs and Arsenal.

To be very honest with you if City owners had taken us over, i would have hung around and seen what had panned out, but if we turned into City of today and lost our identity, culture and rubbed out by something fake and clinical - then id think i wouldn't identify with it and be disinterested, it wouldn't feel like Everton.

On Moshiri, same principal i thought he may invest to make us self sustainable, he improved the facilities at Goodision, he planned a new stadium, he wiped debt - he hit a lot of key indicators. Its not just that anyone that invest its bad - its the absolute steroids and smashing of integrity and rules around it that make it un mertitable - they have been found guilty twice of doing it and are facing 115 charges and you want me to say, all is fair and square no.

But back to Moshiri when it became clear that he was drip feeding us and were ultimately dependent on him, i was the first out advocating the dangers that have come to pass and here we are . If Moshiri tired to do what City have done i would be absolutely against it.

On your last point, we arent being punished by an infusion of money, we are being punished for bad management - its not the same thing as City at all- do i think we are guilty - yes i do - do i think we deserve to be punished - we signed up to the rule - so we knew the consequences - you have to take some medicine - do i agree with the scale and application and due process of the punishment - no i dont.

Again i dont know why you are trying to legitimize what Ciy - theyve harmed us there are six points of jeopardy taken away from us every season and they need to be made up somewhere with less scope. I really dont understand how people can collude with it and just accept it as a new norm - not having a personal go or anything mate.
As a kid I in the late 80s/90s used to watch MOTD religiously and watch all the live PL (Div 1 as used to be) and CL games. These days I can barely bring myself to watch Everton never mind any other games. It’s become like WWE almost where you know the outcome and it’s just about selling it as genuinely competitive. Never in a million years can Everton, Forest or Leeds etc be back at the top table the way things are.

We blew our chance to progress quickly under Moshiri early on in his tenure and he wasted oodles on mediocre players when he should have focussed on youth/developing players and making the team self sustaining for the future. Agree, bad management of the club has landed us in an absolute mess.
 
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They were found guilty by UEFA twice and got the two-year suspension overturned on a technicality
...of the brown envelope sort???
Oh sorry - I meant unsolicited advance payments for possible future consultancy fees
 
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