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[GrandOldTeam]

When ads stop tracking users, then users will stop blocking them

It's nothing against GOT or expecting everything to be free it's protection of private individual data against intrusive methods

Would you be happy if somebody followed you everywhere you went in public and made notes of everything you viewed/purchased ?
Why is it tolerable on the internet ?

Privacy settings at the bottom allow you to alter.

Would you be happy to pay £700 a month to provide a service for other people?

Why is it expected on the internet?

The reality of it is, you'll soon be told to accept it, pay for access without adverts or find another platform entirely.

Fair enough point, even though it isn't going to be popular here.*

I pay to be a Supporter anyway but possibly there should be a forum option to pay for Supporter or allow ads.

* Even though I'm seeing no ads on this page, I'm still being tracked on it by:
Amazon Associates
Doubleclick (Google)
Publisher Tags (Google)
Safeframe (Google)
plus analytics trackers

(Plus I even coded a web page many moons ago where people could book their overnight match stays in Liverpool or elsewhere via Mr GOT and where is that, hmmm? There should be a sticky above each match-day thread or discussion about preseason or FA Cup or European matches or even the general travel thread which gives a link asking people to book their accommodation via a GOT link just like there is that Amazon thread.)

It was used, it was on our site for years. It become dated (I still have it, but it's 8+ years old so needs updating). Affiliates (other than Amazon that does £20-£60 a month) don't work on GOT, sadly. Hotel stays - 19 guaranteed games a year with 9/10 seats season ticket holders. The demand just isn't there.

Noticed quite a few ads with audio sound recently

Yeah they shouldn't be there. We've blocked a number of them with audio on rollover. Report them please to us if any auto play.

Recently had Adblock installed as part of a new firewall, but because I love my fellow Evertonians -- even Davek -- I've taken it off for this site only.

I've disabled it, but I've also blocked adservice.google.com on PrivacyBadger - is that fine by you @GrandOldTeam?

Thanks a lot

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

I thought this was about Moshiri buying the rest of Kenwrights shares with uncle Usy for a minute

I heard clicking on the adds brings a little bit of money back to the site, so i usually click on them, is this true?

 

[atrottel]

It was used, it become dated. Affiliates (other than Amazon) don't work on GOT, sadly. Hotel stays - 19 guaranteed games a year with 9/10 seats season ticket holders. The demand just isn't there.

38 games plus any cup matches, OK quite a lot of the aways are local but some stay over on the London or south coast trips, surely? Plus GOT members go on holidays (vacation) and city breaks quite a lot according to the travel thread.

I know you're younger and more into the social media stuff and that you have your own experiences. BUT I would still say it depends on the way it's presented and marketed. With the visitor numbers you talk about, I'm surprised that you wouldn't make far more than ads, even with the encouraged ad clicks.

"Dated" - cheeky whippersnapper. Of course, it becomes ...ing dated if you don't do anything with it for years...

 

[Blue83]

Would you be happy to pay £700 a month to provide a service for other people?

If I chose to provide a free service to people and it costs £700 to provide said then I have no choice but to pay

Bit of a silly question really as you're choosing to host GoT, nobody is forcing you to pay £700 a month to provide the service

Without wanting to sound arsey as I understand why you rely on ad revenue to keep the service but the reality is you're choosing to provide GoT to users knowing full well there are those who use adblock, just like the adblock users will have to make a choice whether to continue using the service or not when you demand they turn adblock off or no longer get access

I've turned adblock off but it doesn't change my opinion above

 

[GrandOldTeam]

If I chose to provide a free service to people and it costs £700 to provide said then I have no choice but to pay

And if you can't afford it?

Bit of a silly question really as you're choosing to host GoT, nobody is forcing you to pay £700 a month to provide the service

When we started GOT didn't cost anything. It was free to host, on a shared host. For years it then cost £30 a month, then £60.

We're continually having to evolve the platform to accommodate bigger and more demanding numbers - back in 2007 what we offered was a world away from what we offer now.

Adblock is killing small websites and it's a new challenge.

In short, GOT has to be paid for, I can't afford to pay for it in full and so if people block adverts, there's nobody to pay for the service.

So, we're trying to diversify - Everton Mishmash. prints, subscriptions - ways to bridge the gap caused by adblock.

It's really that simple.

Without wanting to sound arsey as I understand why you rely on ad revenue to keep the service but the reality is you're choosing to provide GoT to users knowing full well there are those who use adblock, just like the adblock users will have to make a choice whether to continue using the service or not when you demand they turn adblock off or no longer get access

See, from what you've said here I think it's very clear you don't understand.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

38 games plus any cup matches, OK quite a lot of the aways are local but some stay over on the London or south coast trips, surely? Plus GOT members go on holidays (vacation) and city breaks quite a lot according to the travel thread.

I know you're younger and more into the social media stuff and that you have your own experiences. BUT I would still say it depends on the way it's presented and marketed. With the visitor numbers you talk about, I'm surprised that you wouldn't make far more than ads, even with the encouraged ad clicks.

"Dated" - cheeky whippersnapper. Of course, it becomes ...ing dated if you don't do anything with it for years...

Dated by way of code mate, the map etc broke as Google evolved.

It works in theory, but we've never got affiliates working. It could be execution, but we've tried everything. Its not for lack of exposure.

We're part of all the below. Nevermind the campo retros, paddy powers, etc etc.

The likes of Kitbag, Just Eat etc should work - but its took us about 3 years to get to the £30 min payout lol

 

[Steve Wigan]

'Privacy settings at the bottom allow you to alter'. Do I switch them on or off. Everything is 'on' at present....should I switch off?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

'Privacy settings at the bottom allow you to alter'. Do I switch them on or off. Everything is 'on' at present....should I switch off?

That's up to you mate, depends on your preferences. I have mine set to 'ON'

 

[Blue83]

And if you can't afford it?

Then the service no longer gets provided like the millions of other websites that have come and gone in the relatively short life of the internet, life and internet still goes on though

See, from what you've said here I think it's very clear you don't understand.

What's to understand ? It costs £700 to sustain GoT, you cannot sustain this yourself, you cannot sustain with donations, you either need traffic to lessen to reduce costs on infrastructure or you need revenue from the ads getting blocked in order to sustain the £700 a month it costs to host the website... it's pretty black & white no ?

If a business model is unsustainable then it fails, you either adapt or die to evolving climates, I was just making a case for why people may still choose to not view intrusive ads instead of painting them into a villainous leech

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Then the service no longer gets provided like the millions of other websites that have come and gone in the relatively short life of the internet, life and internet still goes on though

What's to understand ? It costs £700 to sustain GoT, you cannot sustain this yourself, you cannot sustain with donations, you either need traffic to lessen to reduce costs on infrastructure or you need revenue from the ads getting blocked in order to sustain the £700 a month it costs to host the website... it's pretty black & white no ?

If a business model is unsustainable then it fails, you either adapt or die to evolving climates, I was just making a case for why people may still choose to not view intrusive ads instead of painting them into a villainous leech

GOT isn't a business.

The next step for us to "adapt" out of necessity will be telling those who don't agree to display adverts to find another platform - unfortunately. It's increasingly happening, Google's new Funding Choices is beta, it will become the norm.

I get why people block adverts, most block adverts because other sites take the piss with invasive adverts as they chase lost revenue through adblock, we don't. I think most who block adverts are blissfully ignorant to how damaging it is overall it is to independent websites and increasingly, people block without even realising.

GOT is living on borrowed time. I think in years to come, our replacement "fan site" will not genuinely be fan owned and will be operated by a media agency that owns hundreds of "fan sites".

The purpose of this thread is just another reminder on Adblock to try and largely delay the inevitable.

 

[orly]

Always turn off AdBlock on an individual site
If the site is one you enjoy and visit frequently and the ads it serves are non-intrusive, we encourage you to whitelist it. Whitelisting tells AdBlock to always allow ads on that site. There are several ways to whitelist a site. Here is the quickest and easiest way.



To stop blocking ads on the current site:

Click the AdBlock button in the browser toolbar and select Don't run on pages on this site.
In the Don't run AdBlock on... window, click Exclude. The page reloads automatically.


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When ever I see desktop screen grabs like this, it reminds of that bloke who did his with the Cam4 link in it. Magical.

 

[summerisle]

It's not the end of the world to disable ad block, I can't honestly see the problem, too many moaning minnies here ; with reference to the upkeep of the site, it's the best in miles, and for the sake of a few quid, it's the least I can do to contribute to it's continuance. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be sorry if it went.
Do you have statistics available on the percentage of forum supporters in GOT vis a vis the overall membership ?

 

[Blue83]

GOT is living on borrowed time. I think in years to come, our replacement "fan site" will not genuinely be fan owned and will be operated by a media agency that owns hundreds of "fan sites".

Have you thought of approaching local businesses for ad space on the forum, surely with the amount of traffic you get you could attract some lucrative deals that are custom designed on the site that the blockers can't block ?

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Always turn off AdBlock on an individual site
If the site is one you enjoy and visit frequently and the ads it serves are non-intrusive, we encourage you to whitelist it. Whitelisting tells AdBlock to always allow ads on that site. There are several ways to whitelist a site. Here is the quickest and easiest way.



To stop blocking ads on the current site:

Click the AdBlock button in the browser toolbar and select Don't run on pages on this site.
In the Don't run AdBlock on... window, click Exclude. The page reloads automatically.


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Thanks again.

I’m wondering if I have got Adblock. Definitely no icon.

I’ll get someone who knows what they’re doing to look at it.

 

[Prevenger17]

If a business model is unsustainable then it fails, you either adapt or die to evolving climates, I was just making a case for why people may still choose to not view intrusive ads instead of painting them into a villainous leech

Just turn off adblock you utter dweeb