6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Raino85]

The message to all clubs is the lower half of the league have to be motivated to sell their best players to the top half in a smaller market with less negotiation strength.

Yup!

If you look back over the years of teams that were punching above there so called weight they al eventually get the players bought out from them!

Southampton 2014-2016 - Shaw, Lallana, Lovren, Chambers, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Clyne, Mane, Wanyama,, Van Dijk all sold to clubs from the Sky 6

Brighton 21 - Now - White, Cucarella, Bissouma, Trossard, Caicedo, Mac Allister, Sanchez - all sold to clubs from the sky 6

Ourselves 09-16 Lescott, Arteta, Pienaar, Rodwell, Fellaini, Stones, Barkley, Lukaku - all sold to clubs from the sky 6

Leicester 16-23 Kante, Drinkwater, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell, Fofana, Maddison - all sold to the sky 6

I bet this irks the big 6 clubs that they all have to pay 'Premier League proven' premium on these players. But making these clubs having to sell to keep within finance guidlines.....e.g Richarlison, Brennan Johnson and I'm guessing could be the case with likes of Branthwaite or Onana.......................even players like Watkins, Isak may have to makeway to make Villa & Newcastle adhear to the rules

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Yup!

If you look back over the years of teams that were punching above there so called weight they al eventually get the players bought out from them!

Southampton 2014-2016 - Shaw, Lallana, Lovren, Chambers, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Clyne, Mane, Wanyama,, Van Dijk all sold to clubs from the Sky 6

Brighton 21 - Now - White, Cucarella, Bissouma, Trossard, Caicedo, Mac Allister, Sanchez - all sold to clubs from the sky 6

Ourselves 09-16 Lescott, Arteta, Pienaar, Rodwell, Fellaini, Stones, Barkley, Lukaku - all sold to clubs from the sky 6

Leicester 16-23 Kante, Drinkwater, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell, Fofana, Maddison - all sold to the sky 6

I bet this irks the big 6 clubs that they all have to pay 'Premier League proven' premium on these players. But making these clubs having to sell to keep within finance guidlines.....e.g Richarlison, Brennan Johnson and I'm guessing could be the case with likes of Branthwaite or Onana.......................even players like Watkins, Isak may have to makeway to make Villa & Newcastle adhear to the rules

Think what the IC rule about Brennan Johnson will be interesting: if they say, no you should have sold him for 15m less before June 30, we'll know it's nothing to do with profit & sustainability because that's less profit and therefore less sustainability, just to hit a number on a date. And what it'll actually be about is teams with money getting a nice bargain for themselves.

 

[Davideeyore]

Well well well.

 

[Groucho]

It’s just all so arbitrary.

There’s no evidence base for any of this.

 

[Jacko93]

That ESL stuff was a disgrace, I agree.

However, it ended up being theoretical as everyone rejected the idea, including the fans of the teams responsible, and it ultimately came to nothing but a fantasy of money grabbing capitalist business owners. The circumstances are different.

Saying that football fans shouldn't be punished because their team is affected by actions of those that run the club is also the stuff of fantasy though. We all love the game and our team, and the passion football brings out is wonderful, but you're deluded if you think supporters shouldn't be impacted by the highs and lows of supporting their club. That's football.

What next? It's not fair if supporters are affected by their team being relegated due to hiring a crap manager and buying rubbish players? Punish the owner, it was his fault! It's nonsense.

Not everybody, there are PLENTY of examples out there of Liverpool fans arguing a case for the ESL. The creation of it was only for one reason, to make the clubs, and the owners richer.

 

[kenada_blue]

They need a whistleblower, but would you trust the Premier League to protect you?

It originally did with that journo who hacked their emails which led UeFa banning them from European competition.

He ended up doing time for it. Dunno if he's out now

 

[WestStandLower]

They won't. The guy on Talksport that the media has spun as saying if found guilty they'll be "relegated" miss the part when he said...they can't really prove anything.

He was one of City's financial advisors bluntly saying it'll be hard to prove a thing. So it won't be about the allegations being true, it'll be about making it stick. Which the PL won't be able to do

First thing is that the charges aren’t just about disputed equity, which I will come on to, but there are also a couple of other things.

Next a tribunal isn’t a court of criminal law it rules are very much along the lines of a Civil Case meaning the level of proof is beyond reasonable doubt and not the much higher level of beyond doubt Applicable in criminal law

It does become a very subjective assessment. More often than not the decision of a 3 man panel will be on a 2-1 majority which can go either way.
The City ex advisor is relying on something CAS said in brief for payments to have been disguised then lots of influential people would be implicated and that just wouldn’t happen. CAS ruled taking that notion into account . Will the PL commission?

The disguised equity as I say will come down to opinion and again if the emails are factual and un redacted entries in Cities Accounting records are made available that will possibly confirm what UEFA believed but CAS didn’t , on a split majority , support . Unfortunately for City CAS arent involved in the PL process nor is it conducted under Swiss law procedure

UEFA thought they had nailed the case whilst they didn’t actually stop investigating they actually gave up their pursuit of certain information such as email chains. I can’t remember the exact wording but under the Swiss Judaical system CAS weren’t able to draw conclusions from Cities exclusions the PL and English Law isn’t quite in accord.

Then you are in to two issues which is akin to what I believe we (Chelsea) may have a problem is.

The first refers to players wages not fully being accounted for . I would imagine that part of that is the way in which City sold off Image Rights . Most of the proof of this is a matter of fact. In brief a club has to pay every of contracted money which includes a % of image rights through its payroll a third party can’t be involved

The next is Manaicis wages. Most of what I have read about this is around leaked emails. Mancini is alleged to have had two contracts with the City Group both signed off on the same day by the same individuals .

All payments for these two contracts in the emails it seems to point that MCFC paid everything and likewise Manicis agents sent all correspondence and invoices to City and nothing to the other club.

The more lucrative contract was for a few days coaching each year the City one was less lucrative.

Then you have the charges re non co operation which will be difficult for city to defend

 

[Tipp blue]

That ESL stuff was a disgrace, I agree.

However, it ended up being theoretical as everyone rejected the idea, including the fans of the teams responsible, and it ultimately came to nothing but a fantasy of money grabbing capitalist business owners. The circumstances are different.

Saying that football fans shouldn't be punished because their team is affected by actions of those that run the club is also the stuff of fantasy though. We all love the game and our team, and the passion football brings out is wonderful, but you're deluded if you think supporters shouldn't be impacted by the highs and lows of supporting their club. That's football.

What next? It's not fair if supporters are affected by their team being relegated due to hiring a crap manager and buying rubbish players? Punish the owner, it was his fault! It's nonsense.

Any team that gets relegated is due to playing poorly, we 100% deserved to go down last year we were rubbish, and if we had gone down there would have been no legitimate complaints.. we have been very poorly run but if we weren't building a stadium we wouldn't be in this situation, this seemed to carry no weight with the PL or the commission.. I guarantee if Liverpool were building a new stadium and pre planning costs pushed them over the limits and got a deduction for it then you and your kin would be screaming you can't punish the fans and sending bullets in the post to those who deducted the points.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Everton…who do you think ‘we’ is?

We as in Moshiri's club Everton are going to complain to the Premier league for allowing am idiot like Moshiri to buy us and run us into the ground? Okay.

 

[Jacob]

100% we do.

They crawl on here thinking they're all smart arses but they're just all little box room virgins.

I said on here years ago when we ran them into the hills regularly, theyre too thick to alter their M.O.
Same ole mask slips..."we" becomes "Everton" becomes "you"...stats/percentages pouring out of their arses...excusing RS shameful about-turns only when called out on them eg the Euro breakaway elite...the furlough disgrace. Nomark eejits on a loop.

 

[maccavennie]

I said on here years ago when we ran them into the hills regularly, theyre too thick to alter their M.O.
Same ole mask slips..."we" becomes "Everton" becomes "you"...stats/percentages pouring out of their arses...excusing RS shameful about-turns only when called out on them eg the Euro breakaway elite...the furlough disgrace. Nomark eejits on a loop.

Spot on mate.

 

[Bebeto]

We could looked at a point deduction every year going forward until we start showing profits which will be near impossible with annual interest loan payments of 30 millions. That is not sustainable. We would have to sell assets just to pay the interests. Crazy.

 

[John from Bootle]

We could looked at a point deduction every year going forward until we start showing profits which will be near impossible with annual interest loan payments of 30 millions. That is not sustainable. We would have to sell assets just to pay the interests. Crazy.

But losses are allowed. Doesn't say anywhere that you're in breach if you don't make a profit.

We might continue to struggle for the remainder of the 3 year though.

It's worth remembering that the stadium will increase turnover.

 

[Blue83]

Leicester 16-23 Kante, Drinkwater, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell, Fofana, Maddison - all sold to the sky 6

This one is the most egregious. they literally won the league yet the Sky 6 were still able to pick the team apart like it was carrion

 

[matty1878]

Yeah but if we need to sell before 1st July we are gonna get our pants pulled down on the price.

our pants are being pulled down and smacked with a twenty foot metal ruler right now