6 + 2 Point Deductions

[peteblue]

In the older days, clubs needed a great number 9, someone to put the ball in the net. Now we need a great KC to stop us being relegated…wtf happened to football…….

 

[Wat Tyler]

so simon jordan who i thought was ok

has now said we’ve breached my millions not “19”

ffs

This the same Simon Jordan who had a go at fans for wanting Bill and Farhad gone?

 

[Stoffee]

Because he keeps going on about the 350mil deficit, before the deductions for Covid etc, But most prem clubs would be in breach without the Covid loses

Our loses reported were crazy. But we were also the only club building a stadium and had significant sponsors affected by the war.
All clubs make adjustment for ffp, they all made more than normal with covid allowances.
Ours were still significantly higher than others but partly that's explained above.
But no hiding we also had a awful transfer policy ect.

 

[Wat Tyler]

These things are often set on precedent mate, the commission set the precedent in the 10 point deduction, if we have a similar breach and fine us then that doesn’t follow the precedent or equity. Therefore if they give us back 10 points or any on appeal, the second commission will find it hard to dock us 10 again.

There is always hope, the PL brand is taking a battering, public opinion is growing on inequity - particularly with the City delay, Masters is personally to being villified publicly.

It feels like it’s all about that appeal: if we get some points back it gives us the expectation it will be similar or possibly even less for the second charge.

If we get nothing back, well the club have put all their eggs in the appeal basket so our goose would be cooked. That’s if we’re not in administration by that point.

Horrible times, it just feels like a constant worry about the club.

 

[pfim]

In the older days, clubs needed a great number 9, someone to put the ball in the net. Now we need a great KC to stop us being relegated…wtf happened to football…….

So we’re playing with a false 9?

 

[Neiler]

Yes, however we can assume it’s in the general scope of the 19 mill legacy issue or else we wouldn’t be in breach. It’s likely even with the £111 mill loss or translation, we had to be under, 19 mill of that which we don’t seem to be or we wouldn’t be charged or we didn’t factor it for 22/23 (arrogantly maybe).

It’s been widely reported amongst the Everton community that in 22/23 how the interest is treated was adjusted, so we are admittedly assuming it’s the rouge 19 mill at play. Therefore we know the loss is somewhere in the scope of 19+ or 18-mill of the 111 mill loss or rather its translation.

So with not knowing the figures we can assume the above and personaly knowing Everton, I think we were at the wire financially, so even with the scope I don’t think it’s widely deviates from the original commissions judgement, even if the figures are give or take - they aren’t wildly so, in fact they are probably quite linear, thus I can see a symmetry in judgement - certainly think the precedent will be at play, but more so the finding of the appeal.

This actually does raise a bigger question, now that I think of it, if we had a 111 mill loss drop of our three year cycle or its PAS translation prob about 90 mill, how have we lost between 72-90 million in 22/23 after selling Gordon & Kean.……

There is something we don’t know or someone rightly messed up on the stadium financing/accounting (again).

 

[blueboy72]

Our loses reported were crazy. But we were also the only club building a stadium and had significant sponsors affected by the war.
All clubs make adjustment for ffp, they all made more than normal with covid allowances.
Ours were still significantly higher than others but partly that's explained above.
But no hiding we also had an awful transfer policy ect.

Nobody denies that, but Jordon had an agenda imo like everyone else. If you’d only started following football 3 yrs ago and just listened to Jordon,
You’d think we were called Everton 500milion.
Because that’s all he went on about, yet probably, he’s never talked about other clubs spending, like wolves, villa and West Ham all spent more than us over the last 7 yrs. and other clubs spent a lot too, Bournemouth before getting relegated under Howe spent a lot of money. Even Brighton, go back 5yrs when they were struggling under Chris houghton, they spent a lot more than you would believe. Anyway it just seemed we were an easy target.

But white and Jordon also always stick up for Bill when Everton fans were going after him 3/4trs ago. So
Maybe that was part of it as Jordon only ever seemed to criticise moshiri and nobody else

 

[larbert toffee]

This the same Simon Jordan who had a go at fans for wanting Bill and Farhad gone?

Simon Jordan is a ring piece.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

It feels like it’s all about that appeal: if we get some points back it gives us the expectation it will be similar or possibly even less for the second charge.

If we get nothing back, well the club have put all their eggs in the appeal basket so our goose would be cooked. That’s if we’re not in administration by that point.

Horrible times, it just feels like a constant worry about the club.

Posted it up the thread but IMO the second charge will not work out as bad as the first (however badly the first works out).

Due to the overlap between the periods, and also because the Commission didn’t change our 21/22 calculation until after the 22/23 period, which has a knock on effect on the 22/23 calculation without us having had a chance to do anything about it.

 

[pfim]

This actually does raise a bigger question, now that I think of it, if we had a 111 mill loss drop of our three year cycle or its PAS translation prob about 90 mill, how have we lost between 72-90 million in 22/23 after selling Gordon & Kean.……

There is something we don’t know or someone rightly fd up on the stadium financing/accounting.

I don’t have the exact answer. I’d assume interest costs were higher. We were probably paying at least 4 managers in that time frame. Wage bill was still high. Sponsorship revenues down.

 

[msb]

Nobody denies that, but Jordon had an agenda imo like everyone else. If you’d only started following football 3 yrs ago and just listened to Jordon,
You’d think we were called Everton 500milion.
Because that’s all he went on about, yet probably, he’s never talked about other clubs spending, like wolves, villa and West Ham all spent more than us over the last 7 yrs. and other clubs spent a lot too, Bournemouth before getting relegated under Howe spent a lot of money. Even Brighton, go back 5yrs when they were struggling under Chris houghton, they spent a lot more than you would believe. Anyway it just seemed we were an easy target.

But white and Jordon also always stick up for Bill when Everton fans were going after him 3/4trs ago. So
Maybe that was part of it as Jordon only ever seemed to criticise moshiri and nobody else

Clickbait, or radio equivalent - shock jock?

one day back is white, next day vice versa. They have no credibility and no opinion worth listening to.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

This actually does raise a bigger question, now that I think of it, if we had a 111 mill loss drop of our three year cycle or its PAS translation prob about 90 mill, how have we lost between 72-90 million in 22/23 after selling Gordon & Kean.……

There is something we don’t know or someone rightly messed up on the stadium financing/accounting (again).

This is the part I can’t get my head around too, unless we’re missing something. The 18/19 loss coming off should’ve been the turning point for things to get better.

 

[Neiler]

It feels like it’s all about that appeal: if we get some points back it gives us the expectation it will be similar or possibly even less for the second charge.

If we get nothing back, well the club have put all their eggs in the appeal basket so our goose would be cooked. That’s if we’re not in administration by that point.

Horrible times, it just feels like a constant worry about the club.

Agreed mate.

The worst thing is, is our faith won’t be known watching games or the sport, it will be in April or May regardless of what happens on the pitch.

Its taken the enjoyment out of games for us too, not that I’ll stop getting behind the lads, but the table means nothing now.

 

[Neiler]

This is the part I can’t get my head around too, unless we’re missing something. The 18/19 loss coming off should’ve been the turning point for things to get better.

I suppose we were in breach for 21/22 mate - though we’re led to believe that the breach 19.5 mill interest anomaly.…..

I just can’t fathom how we actually lost about 72 mill at a minimum ball park in 22/23 with our sales, has to be the ground or interest on debt.

 

[Ragnar]

This actually does raise a bigger question, now that I think of it, if we had a 111 mill loss drop of our three year cycle or its PAS translation prob about 90 mill, how have we lost between 72-90 million in 22/23 after selling Gordon & Kean.……

There is something we don’t know or someone rightly messed up on the stadium financing/accounting (again).

Probably buying Onana for 35m, McNeil for 17m, Maupay for 15m, Garner for 10m. Plus still paying managers off, and a sky high wage bill.