tsubaki
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Specialist steel production for a start - somewhere like Brymbo hasn’t really ever been replaced. I’d also say shipbuilding and defence production, which are strategic things.
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Specialist steel production for a start - somewhere like Brymbo hasn’t really ever been replaced. I’d also say shipbuilding and defence production, which are strategic things.
Because protectionism has traditionally been the preserve of the left, with the right supposedly espousing free markets and the invisible hand.
I'm struggling to see any issues we have in procuring ships or guns?
tsubaki
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We pay much more for much less, and it’s easier to corrupt the system when there’s only one or two producers (since they can’t go under because we’d have nothing). In fact I’d be amazed if anyone could take a look at defence procurement these past forty years and struggle to find issues tbh
I don't have any horse in this race so it's not a leading question, but I'd be really interested to see some data to back that up.
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spectateur
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I live in rural France, North edge of massif central.
We have seen the run down of services, village schools closed, tax office closed, local Court moved, hospital departments closed. Have to travel 100km to see certain specialists, etc etc.
Macron reforms.
People round here hate him and people I know will abstain rather than vote for him.
From a social point of view some feel they would be better off with MLP. ?
We have seen the run down of services, village schools closed, tax office closed, local Court moved, hospital departments closed. Have to travel 100km to see certain specialists, etc etc.
Macron reforms.
People round here hate him and people I know will abstain rather than vote for him.
From a social point of view some feel they would be better off with MLP. ?
peteblue
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We have similar arguments in the U.K. where rural and even semi-rural areas get almost no services. Everything involves driving as not only are there no local services, but no public transport either. Then the same people who have every service imaginable and the best transport systems call for policies (electric vehicles, ULEZ etc) which make things even worse. Every year by us we have one of our country roads that floods to two or three feet and stays flooded for about a month. During that time only farm vehicles, trucks and disco’s can get through and between 4-6 cars will make the mistake of trying it and kill their engines and cars. It would be nice to see a politician even try to understand the difficulties faced by low paid farm workers who have to put up with this in order to feed the cities…..sorry for the ramble….
Yarrgh
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Indeed it's this sort of degradation in quality of life that leads to people believing that the mainstream politicians have forgotten them.
And then there's hand wringing about things like Brexit or Trump or Le Pen and no one willing from the major parties to grasp that they let huge swathes of people down and they were deserted because of it.
spectateur
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This is a bit off thread, however.
We may not miss these industries materially as we buy the things from Germany or the far East.
We have lost the expertise and disciplines needed to produce material goods.
Interesting to hear that those in England not living in large towns or in the big conurbations have similar problems.
Of course France and UK are both running the ultra Liberal free market economic system.
Spend as little as possible on welfare and services for the population at large being one of its ways.
I'm not sure that could be said for the French? I mean in 2020 government spending as a proportion of GDP in France was 62%!! Of course that would have been influenced by the pandemic, but even in normal times it was around 55-56%, which is a nearly 20% higher than the US, for instance, and over 10% higher than the UK. Macron may be liberal by French standards, but France is quite probably the most socialist big country on the planet.
As for losing the skills to make things, this always seems to be a fundamentally male malaise. We don't seem to bemoan the loss of "female" jobs, like typing, and there are no prolonged funerals for the loss of Woolworths in the way there are for a mine that's shut down. Similarly, it doesn't seem acceptable for displaced men to go into seemingly "female jobs", such as nursing, where there are tremendous shortages.
Spadge Vernacular
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France Can Cease Helping Ukraine. It’s Yet to Be Decided
“It is evident that Macron has become slightly more radical and no longer believes in a dialogue with Russia”
spectateur
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Rrmember that France is not a dictatorship, there is a parliament and a senate.France Can Cease Helping Ukraine. It’s Yet to Be Decided
“It is evident that Macron has become slightly more radical and no longer believes in a dialogue with Russia”www.eurointegration.com.ua
MLP has few followers in either assembly.
tsubaki
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TBF they get a lot more value out of that 62% than the US does out of its 46% - one of the best public transport systems in the world, one of the best health systems in the world, relatively low inequality (compared to the US) plus they have a lot of state owned strategic firms like EdF or Thales. “Asset-rich” is perhaps the best term.
tsubaki
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Well this is a very rough calculation and one extreme example but the old Warrior IFV cost £1 billion in 1988 (around £2.8 billion in 2022 money) procure just over a thousand vehicles. They were all delivered in a few years and although by no means perfect we’re reliable and did what they were meant to.
Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle — History - Think Defence
The history of the Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle, from its inception to the cancellation of the Capability Sustainment Programme in 2021, and slightly beyond. The Warrior infantry fighting vehicle is the mainstay of the British Army’s armoured infantry force, a solid and capable vehicle with...
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It’s replacement (Ajax) is heading for £5.5 billion for 500-odd units, although the deal is currently suspended as even the MoD admit the programme is “troubled”:
MoD delivery of Ajax armoured vehicles will be a challenge, says watchdog
Unresolved safety issues has led to four-year delay of 589 vehicles, leaving army with ageing equipment
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