2017/18 Season Everton lineup / formations

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We'll play through the middle.
We have no choice until Bolasie is back, even Lookmam likes to cut inside. I've said all summer we are crying out for wide players but if RK isn't going that way we have a quality unit of narrow players so let's see how it goes!
 
If we were to play 4 at the back we are incredibly weak in the full back positions. On the left Baines is no longer good enough for what we want to achieve and he has no real cover. On the right, we are going to be without Coleman for probably half the season and there is a chance he won't get back to his best. Whilst Kenny looks a good prospect, I think it is to much of a gamble to throw him in as first choice RB in the mean time.

The fact we haven't signed or have been heavily linked with any full backs or wing backs could suggest Koeman could have a different idea in mind, and thinks he has the personnel already in the squad to do that.

Potentially he could be looking at 3 CB with some Guadiola style Wingback/wide defensive mids who come into a more defensive central midfield role when we have the ball.

If you look who could potentially fill that role then Davies on the right and Gueye on the left. Both players have the defensive instinct, high energy, the ability to carry the ball forward (Davies down the right against city springs to mind) and most importantly can play in midfield. They also wouldn't be required to provide the level of defensive cover a fullback would as there would be 3 CB behind them.

This concept failed at city this season, but mainly because Zabeleta/Sagna/Kolarov/Clichy where poor at the centre midlfield part of the role, gave the ball away a lot and got caught out of position. They are also not the best defensively either IMO. I think Davies and gueye would be much better suited to this role.

This may also be the reason Koeman is strengthening so heavily in the central mid/advanced mid positions, as gueye and Davies may play a little wider.

THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT AND WOULD FIT THE DUTCH TOTAL FOOTBALL PHILOSOPHY, AND MAY LOOK LIKE THIS Off THE BALL....

.....................PICKFORD
........HOLGATE WILLIAMS KEANE
..DAVIES.....SCHNIEDERLIN...GUEYE
.....................KLASSEN
.........ROONEY ............ SIG
.....................SANDRO

We would have good cover with Baines and Kenny, with Coleman to come back and good flexibility. If we got Giroud too and Barkley stays there would be a lot of rotation in the front 4 with potentially 7/8 players competing for the spots.
 
If the new season started tomorrow, with what we've brought in and having offloaded Lukaku, we'd struggle to finish 7th
I would tend to disagree.

1) Upgrade at goalkeeper
2) Upgrade in central defence
3) Klaassen, Rooney and Sandro Ramirez will score 25 goals between them without much bother at all, so Rom's goalscoring contribution will be matched at the very least. In fact, I reckon the three of them will score 30 between them by Easter - vault me.

As others have pointed out, the current events very closely resemble what happened when we sold Lineker.
 
We should play 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 with current personnel.

Pickford
Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Gana Schneiderlin Barkley
Klaassen Rooney
Sandro

Pickford
Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Gana Schneiderlin Barkley
Klaassen
Rooney Sandro

Wait, that's basically the same, just a fluid version of those two would work. Don't play a winger formation (4-3-3) with no wingers!
 
Pickford
Martina Williams Keane Baines
Schneiderlin Klassen Gueye
Barkley Rooney Sandro​

I think this will be our starting lineup against Stoke although Barkley may be swapped for Sigurdsson by then although I think that one may go down to the transfer deadline day.

Bring in a decent RB and that team wouldn't be too bad albeit a bit lacking in width and pace.

I just don't think Koeman is going to start the season with Kenny after overlooking him for the vast majority of last season. None of us thought we were going to start with Stek in goal last season either and I think this could be the same.
 
Pickford
Martina Williams Keane Baines
Schneiderlin Klassen Gueye
Barkley Rooney Sandro​

I think this will be our starting lineup against Stoke although Barkley may be swapped for Sigurdsson by then although I think that one may go down to the transfer deadline day.

Bring in a decent RB and that team wouldn't be too bad albeit a bit lacking in width and pace.

I just don't think Koeman is going to start the season with Kenny after overlooking him for the vast majority of last season. None of us thought we were going to start with Stek in goal last season either and I think this could be the same.

He didn't overlook Kenny? We had Coleman majority of the season and when we didn't Holgate was rightly preferred. Soon as Coleman broke his leg Kenny was in the squad. It's not overlooking he was just 3rd choice at the time.
 
Just to compare. This was our line-up for the first games last season.

Stekelenburg v Pickford
Holgate v John Joe Kenny
Funes Mori v Keane
Jagielka v Williams
Baines v Baines
Gueye v A more settled Gueye
Barry v Schneiderlin
McCarthy v Klaassen
Mirallas v Sandro
Barkley v Sigurdsson
Deulofeu v Rooney

Yeah but nothing has changed. Upgrade in every position. Davies, Lookman, DCL, Holgate, Dowell, Henry the Belgian....coleman and bolassie to come back.

NOTHING. HAS. CHANGED.
 
He didn't overlook Kenny? We had Coleman majority of the season and when we didn't Holgate was rightly preferred. Soon as Coleman broke his leg Kenny was in the squad. It's not overlooking he was just 3rd choice at the time.
He overlooked him for Holgate. Apparently you also agree he was right to do so. Not sure why you think a player who couldn't get in ahead of an 18 year old playing out of position will be trusted to be our starter for the majority of the season.

And don't say because you've seen him play. So has Koeman and he picks the team.
 
He overlooked him for Holgate. Apparently you also agree he was right to do so. Not sure why you think a player who couldn't get in ahead of an 18 year old playing out of position will be trusted to be our starter for the majority of the season.

And don't say because you've seen him play. So has Koeman and he picks the team.

First of all Holgate is marginally older than Kenny.

Secondly, Koeman will have decided based on who looks better in training. As a CB Holgate obviously offers less going forward but his defensive ability will likely have been more appealing after a few years of us lobbing goals in.

If we don't sign another full-back then I'll eat my hat if Holgate starts ahead of him next season. (Or even Davies for that matter).
 
If we were to play 4 at the back we are incredibly weak in the full back positions. On the left Baines is no longer good enough for what we want to achieve and he has no real cover. On the right, we are going to be without Coleman for probably half the season and there is a chance he won't get back to his best. Whilst Kenny looks a good prospect, I think it is to much of a gamble to throw him in as first choice RB in the mean time.

The fact we haven't signed or have been heavily linked with any full backs or wing backs could suggest Koeman could have a different idea in mind, and thinks he has the personnel already in the squad to do that.

Potentially he could be looking at 3 CB with some Guadiola style Wingback/wide defensive mids who come into a more defensive central midfield role when we have the ball.

If you look who could potentially fill that role then Davies on the right and Gueye on the left. Both players have the defensive instinct, high energy, the ability to carry the ball forward (Davies down the right against city springs to mind) and most importantly can play in midfield. They also wouldn't be required to provide the level of defensive cover a fullback would as there would be 3 CB behind them.

This concept failed at city this season, but mainly because Zabeleta/Sagna/Kolarov/Clichy where poor at the centre midlfield part of the role, gave the ball away a lot and got caught out of position. They are also not the best defensively either IMO. I think Davies and gueye would be much better suited to this role.

This may also be the reason Koeman is strengthening so heavily in the central mid/advanced mid positions, as gueye and Davies may play a little wider.

THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT AND WOULD FIT THE DUTCH TOTAL FOOTBALL PHILOSOPHY, AND MAY LOOK LIKE THIS Off THE BALL....

.....................PICKFORD
........HOLGATE WILLIAMS KEANE
..DAVIES.....SCHNIEDERLIN...GUEYE
.....................KLASSEN
.........ROONEY ............ SIG
.....................SANDRO

We would have good cover with Baines and Kenny, with Coleman to come back and good flexibility. If we got Giroud too and Barkley stays there would be a lot of rotation in the front 4 with potentially 7/8 players competing for the spots.
Interesting idea well presented and argued out logically.

There's no place for this kind of thing on GOT.
 
If we were to play 4 at the back we are incredibly weak in the full back positions. On the left Baines is no longer good enough for what we want to achieve and he has no real cover. On the right, we are going to be without Coleman for probably half the season and there is a chance he won't get back to his best. Whilst Kenny looks a good prospect, I think it is to much of a gamble to throw him in as first choice RB in the mean time.

The fact we haven't signed or have been heavily linked with any full backs or wing backs could suggest Koeman could have a different idea in mind, and thinks he has the personnel already in the squad to do that.

Potentially he could be looking at 3 CB with some Guadiola style Wingback/wide defensive mids who come into a more defensive central midfield role when we have the ball.

If you look who could potentially fill that role then Davies on the right and Gueye on the left. Both players have the defensive instinct, high energy, the ability to carry the ball forward (Davies down the right against city springs to mind) and most importantly can play in midfield. They also wouldn't be required to provide the level of defensive cover a fullback would as there would be 3 CB behind them.

This concept failed at city this season, but mainly because Zabeleta/Sagna/Kolarov/Clichy where poor at the centre midlfield part of the role, gave the ball away a lot and got caught out of position. They are also not the best defensively either IMO. I think Davies and gueye would be much better suited to this role.

This may also be the reason Koeman is strengthening so heavily in the central mid/advanced mid positions, as gueye and Davies may play a little wider.

THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT AND WOULD FIT THE DUTCH TOTAL FOOTBALL PHILOSOPHY, AND MAY LOOK LIKE THIS Off THE BALL....

.....................PICKFORD
........HOLGATE WILLIAMS KEANE
..DAVIES.....SCHNIEDERLIN...GUEYE
.....................KLASSEN
.........ROONEY ............ SIG
.....................SANDRO

We would have good cover with Baines and Kenny, with Coleman to come back and good flexibility. If we got Giroud too and Barkley stays there would be a lot of rotation in the front 4 with potentially 7/8 players competing for the spots.


I'm with you as far as the inverted full backs, nice suggestion given their attributes.

However, the reason that this particular formation works is because the width is provided higher up the pitch with very wide wingers. Unfortunately for us, we simply don't have that option!

---------------Pickford----------------
--Keane----Schneiderlin---Williams--
--------Davies-------Gueye----------
--------Klaassen-----Barkley---------
Mirallas--------Rooney--------Sandro

This would probably be closest to how it would work when in possession given the personnel we have, with Schneiderlin dropping back between the CB's to receive and bring the ball out.

But I don't like the idea of Mirallas playing as an out-and-out winger and Sandro, by all accounts, likes to cut in from the left; again meaning no width.

I'd also struggle with seeing Davies and Gueye falling back into full back positions.


I think we might end up seeing a 4-4-2 diamond formation:

----------------Pickford----------------
Holgate---Keane----Williams---Baines
--------------Schneiderlin--------------
---------Gueye----------Davies--------
----------------Klaassen---------------
------------Rooney----Sandro---------

Again though, this formation requires very attacking full backs. I'm very surprised that we haven't been in the market for either a RB or LB; Baines just can't get up and down the flank the way he used to, and we might be without Coleman for the majority of the season.
 
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