Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[den]

The obvious answer for the Leeds game should just be to put Ndiaye on the right and McNeil on the left win with Alcaraz in the middle.

For some reason though i bet we see Alcaraz on the right and KDH at 10.

I have a sneaking suspicion it'll be Ndiaye on the left and McNeil on the right with KDH in the middle in front of Gana and Garner.

Moyes said during the Summer Series that he was disappointed in Alcaraz and thought he was better as an impact sub. Unless he shows Moyes something, he might end up stuck in that role, coming in late across the front wherever we need energy and an attacking threat, but that's a legitimate role and something we've needed for a long time.

 

[BlueBarrow]

It’s not about the Leeds game, it’s about the next three years - we need to be patient, if we get all the players in on Transfer Deadline day I’d be fine with that.

Dibbling is the one, £50M might look like a steal in a couple of years and I can see him being an England international for the next ten years.

Once we’ve sorted right wing, CF is where I’m most concerned, Beto can’t be the answer and Barry will likely need a couple of years given his age, rapid ascent, and toughness of the PL. maybe a phone call back to DCL see if we can change his mind?

DCL should come back on bended knee. He knows now that his inflated opinion of himself has no grasp of reality , even on a free. Sunderland on a free is his current level (probably on a pay cut into the bargain). Having said that , somebody may get desperate towards the end of the window , and take a chance on
him , and his injuries.

 

[bluestevon]

If we are in for the Juve lad (average) , one of Grealish and Dibling not happening, we wouldn’t be getting all three.

We aren't in for the Juve lad

 

[BackRow PE6]

If Hammond is the best in the business as Kinnear seems to believe then his instincts should see us get a deal done quicker than this.

The RS are arguably the best at transfers because they leverage things in their favour all the time. We might not have the pulling power of champions like they do but Hammond has clearly underestimated Southampton’s value of the player which is really poor in my view.

The fact that Moyes made it clear he expected two before Roma seems to align with my view on it too.

He did get Barry for a lot less than his release fee and KDH for less than Chelsea paid for him 12 months ago, which count in his favour if we are scrutinising every deal.

Negotiation isn’t about paying the asking price, that’s shopping

 

[bluestevon]

I think the signing of Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, together with the club's recent social media promotion of Garner as a deep-lying playmaker, puts the question of signing Douglas Luiz to bed.

My theory is that they were ready to sign Luiz as a defensive midfielder who could control the tempo of the game, and had a plan for the players who would fit tactically. Given the nature of Everton's new analytics-driven scouting, the profile of players they're after probably shifts depending on other acquisitions, so that signing Luiz would mean a tactical shift in this direction that might favor these targets (e.g., Kubo), but signing a box-to-box midfielder instead means a shift that favors another set of targets (e.g., Dibling).

I think the stalled negotiation with Juventus is a big part of what Moyes was referencing when he said he'd expected some deals to be done already, and if Juventus and Joorabchian hadn't tried playing hard ball, they could have been rid of the player and acquired Hjulmand by now, and we'd have progressed on a number of other deals.

But in the interests of completeness, here's the latest club nonsense from Juventus via Gianni Balzarini:

In other words, Forest is still not meeting their valuation, like Everton before them, but they're confident a deal will be reached … sometime, just as with Everton before them. And it may include another player … or not.

Now Juventus are stuck dragging out the notion of advanced talks and multi-club interest (Everton are still in it, they claim) in the hopes of getting someone else to bite on Luiz. When Everton were the front runners, West Ham and others were supposedly close behind, and now that Forest is supposedly in the lead, Everton are still close.

I don't think we ever had a serious interest in Luiz, I don't think it ever got past sounding them out on his availability

 

[blue to the bone]

I don't think we ever had a serious interest in Luiz, I don't think it ever got past sounding them out on his availability

You said last week we would sign him before the end of the week

 

[blulouie]

Calm before the storm

Saturday is when @edwardcrompton comes out mate.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

The thing I am wrestling with is that Hammond is supposed to be this top negotiator.

However, in my line of work, a real top negotiator knows what it will take to get a deal over the line.

As such, he/she make an initial lower offer but very rarely will it become a case of 2/3 different bids going in without success.

In the case of Dibling, my worry is that Hammond should have known when making the first bid what it would take to get it done and he should have lowballed accordingly. However, the second bid should have been a firm bid that he knew would tempt them into selling.

To get into the situation of making 3,4 and even 5 bids is simply not smart and it’s not how well run clubs operate.

Using the RS as an example, they have made a cheeky low bid (in Newcastle’s eyes) for Isak but that has flushed out frustration from the player at not getting the move and it has probably meant that Newcastle will accept maybe £130/140m plus add ons compared to their initial £150m valuation.

That is what we should be doing albeit unfortunately for us, on a lesser scale than the RS.

This is all just nonsense.

 

[bluestevon]

If we don’t have a top first choice RW option as a minimum by the Leeds game then the recruitment team are going to have a lot to answer for. We really should have a right back as well and another defensive midfielder.

Don't think we will be after another DM mate this season, reckon Garner and Gueye will be doing that role.

 

[tellmema]

In a word no

We'll see on Saturday

 

[bluestevon]

You said last week we would sign him before the end of the week

I probably did. But think it's becoming pretty clear all the Luiz stuff is agent/Juve driven - same as a think the Mcginn stuff is his agent throwing our name out as well.

None of the reliable Everton guys ever we t all in on us being after Luiz from memory either.

 

[Somerset Blue]

Calm before the storm

Nah, the storm passed us by!

 

[Marius57]

The thing I am wrestling with is that Hammond is supposed to be this top negotiator.

However, in my line of work, a real top negotiator knows what it will take to get a deal over the line.

As such, he/she make an initial lower offer but very rarely will it become a case of 2/3 different bids going in without success.

In the case of Dibling, my worry is that Hammond should have known when making the first bid what it would take to get it done and he should have lowballed accordingly. However, the second bid should have been a firm bid that he knew would tempt them into selling.

To get into the situation of making 3,4 and even 5 bids is simply not smart and it’s not how well run clubs operate.

Using the RS as an example, they have made a cheeky low bid (in Newcastle’s eyes) for Isak but that has flushed out frustration from the player at not getting the move and it has probably meant that Newcastle will accept maybe £130/140m plus add ons compared to their initial £150m valuation.

That is what we should be doing albeit unfortunately for us, on a lesser scale than the RS.

That’s literally what we did. Dibling was training by himself.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Saturday is when @edwardcrompton comes out mate.

Don’t you bring that fiend up

 

[blulouie]

Don’t you bring that fiend up

He's good spuds is Edward