Transfer Rumour Tyler Dibling

[GrandOldTeam]

I mean obviously we need end product to some extent, everybody does at the end of the day. I don't really agree with the 'we need somebody who's going to produce right now' shouts though. We're obviously not going to immediately gatecrash the top 4, and as long as we add a a few more decent players to beef the squad up you'd hope we'd have enough about us not to go down. So why do we need people who are going to produce great numbers immediately? Surely it's better to bring players in who give us a chance of building a genuinely good side over the next couple of years rather than spending a load of money bringing someone like Grealish in for one year to help us finish 9th instead of 11th.

This 100%.

Like our first 11 is quite strong. But we lack attacking quality. Our issue is our depth.

This lad helps with both depth, but also attacking quality.

We have a reasonable core of players around mid 20s so getting viable younger players is a good move.

Thing is though gents, we've struggled the last 4/5 seasons because we've not had the players who can make the difference in the final third.

We've never had the players who have proven they could produce G/A in their careers, and we were expecting them to suddenly start doing it.

So while I understand the opinion that we can/should sign players to develop, in the same breath - we could get to December and again, have next to no players who have ever scored or created goals on a regular basis and be left wondering why we're toothless. Again.

 

[Neiler]

I liken this to Spurs signing Gareth Bale.

Ive no doubt this lad will be a top footballer, something special.

But i dont think he's ready to play 38 games - for us, year or two until he became a clutch player.

This is an investment for the future and slow burner in my opinion if he comes start the odd game/come on to impact - that would be my expectation anyway.

Wed need more with him.

 

[Lanolin]

I do agree with that. If you look at the money spent now, compared to when we bought Lukaku, Lukaku was probably like 50/60million for Lukaku in today's money.

Clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth etc are regularly going to on and around 40million now for young players.

The big surprise I have with Dibling is he is interested in coming here.

That's it for me, £35/40m is an absolutely obscene amount of money in normal terms, but the way the football market is going that's just a normal fee these days. We'd do well to significantly improve the squad in the long term without buying anyone for £30m+, it's possible but you've really got to be absolutely nailing it to do that and we probably don't have the infrastructure in place yet to be confident of doing that.

As I said, this would certainly be a risk, he's a young lad who's shown a lot of promise but who knows how it will pan out. To some extent we just have to trust that the club know what they're doing. That's obviously not easy based on what we've seen in recent years, but whoever we buy we're going to have to trust that they're making the right call because that's what we're paying them for. If they fail then their heads need to be on the chopping block, that's football.

 

[catcherintherye]

Thing is though gents, we've struggled the last 4/5 seasons because we've not had the players who can make the difference in the final third.

We've never had the players who have proven they could produce G/A in their careers, and we were expecting them to suddenly start doing it.

So while I understand the opinion that we can/should sign players to develop, in the same breath - we could get to December and again, have next to no players who have ever scored or created goals on a regular basis and be left wondering why we're toothless. Again.

Yes I agree mate. It's definitely hard to just buy goals, especially goals in the PL.

The hope would be he's a player who kind of kicks into gear, a little like how Ndiaye did?

 

[Shibbywiggles]

£35-40m seems a bit high if you consider Spurs bought Brennan Johnson for £47.5m after he played 38 scored 8 in his only premier league season but the lads only 19 and clearly incredibly highly rated…

Quite an exciting signing with limitless potential!

 

[catcherintherye]

That's it for me, £35/40m is an absolutely obscene amount of money in normal terms, but the way the football market is going that's just a normal fee these days. We'd do well to significantly improve the squad in the long term without buying anyone for £30m+, it's possible but you've really got to be absolutely nailing it to do that and we probably don't have the infrastructure in place yet to be confident of doing that.

As I said, this would certainly be a risk, he's a young lad who's shown a lot of promise but who knows how it will pan out. To some extent we just have to trust that the club know what they're doing. That's obviously not easy based on what we've seen in recent years, but whoever we buy we're going to have to trust that they're making the right call because that's what we're paying them for. If they fail then their heads need to be on the chopping block, that's football.

Like I've seen that Kubo has a release fee or over 50m. I'm not saying we would have to pay that, but doubt you're getting much change out of 40m for him or Fofana.

Fofana got 5 in 29 last season and the season before 3 from 17 and 2 from 25, playing in better teams than Southampton.

With this guy, it's more just the old eye test. When I watched him for Southampton I thought he looked a great young player.

 

[FinchFarmBlue]

That's it for me, £35/40m is an absolutely obscene amount of money in normal terms, but the way the football market is going that's just a normal fee these days. We'd do well to significantly improve the squad in the long term without buying anyone for £30m+, it's possible but you've really got to be absolutely nailing it to do that and we probably don't have the infrastructure in place yet to be confident of doing that.

As I said, this would certainly be a risk, he's a young lad who's shown a lot of promise but who knows how it will pan out. To some extent we just have to trust that the club know what they're doing. That's obviously not easy based on what we've seen in recent years, but whoever we buy we're going to have to trust that they're making the right call because that's what we're paying them for. If they fail then their heads need to be on the chopping block, that's football.

Data isn't everything, but I get the impression at least this window, they won't do much before looking at the. analytics. Whether that's the right way to go is another matter of course.

 

[pfim]

Thing is though gents, we've struggled the last 4/5 seasons because we've not had the players who can make the difference in the final third.

We've never had the players who have proven they could produce G/A in their careers, and we were expecting them to suddenly start doing it.

So while I understand the opinion that we can/should sign players to develop, in the same breath - we could get to December and again, have next to no players who have ever scored or created goals on a regular basis and be left wondering why we're toothless. Again.

Counterpoint-even coming in the middle of the season, if we extrapolated the goals scored over an entire Moyes season, we would have been over 50 goals for the first time this decade. And we can put out largely the same starting 11 we did during that time.

It's not always the players.

 

[Lanolin]

Thing is though gents, we've struggled the last 4/5 seasons because we've not had the players who can make the difference in the final third.

We've never had the players who have proven they could produce G/A in their careers, and we were expecting them to suddenly start doing it.

So while I understand the opinion that we can/should sign players to develop, in the same breath - we could get to December and again, have next to no players who have ever scored or created goals on a regular basis and be left wondering why we're toothless. Again.

Absolutely, it's undoubtedly a risk. Personally I feel like this is pretty much the ideal time to take risks, we've got a rare chance to have a big rebuild and if we don't put the foundations in place for it now you'd wonder if we ever will. There has to be a balance, and if we had Barry, Aznou and Dibling all come in you'd expect that to be evened out by a few more experienced (although hopefully not actually old) heads added too. I had hoped that we might be able to attract 1 or 2 players who are slightly further along but it seems clear that for whatever reason we haven't been able to. If we've had to move on from those types I'd rather go for someone in the Dibling mould than someone who is like a pre-Everton Jack Harrison for example - someone who has put up decent numbers in the league but ultimately isn't actually going to get you anywhere.

 

[John O'Kane]

I've wanted us to get him since his breakthrough, and to be honest, I always assumed he'd be on the radar of teams above us. That no one else seems to be in for him could be read as an alarm bell, or just an opportunity we need to take. His ceiling is very high, he's young, and at the very least he'd hold his value, even if he isn't a 'success' in 3/4 years.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Thing is though gents, we've struggled the last 4/5 seasons because we've not had the players who can make the difference in the final third.

We've never had the players who have proven they could produce G/A in their careers, and we were expecting them to suddenly start doing it.

So while I understand the opinion that we can/should sign players to develop, in the same breath - we could get to December and again, have next to no players who have ever scored or created goals on a regular basis and be left wondering why we're toothless. Again.

Yep, absolutely agree - I'm delighted with the profile of some of the players we've signed/have gone after from the point of view that they're young, highly rated and may turn a huge profit if all goes to plan (Barry, Aznou, Dibling, etc).

The cautionary note is that few of these are likely to make an immediate impact - if we are going to improve on last season, these signings (as welcome as they are) need to be supplemented by players who can make an immediate difference - and that's why for all the risks involved, I completely understand why we'd look at Grealish, Luiz etc alongside this sort of player.

To be honest, on the whole I've been really pleased with the type of player we've gone after, there's a balance of types of experience there and it's absolutely the kind of thing we *should* be doing, but obviously actually signing them is the only thing that really matters

 

[Rich1878]

Dibbling is raw atm but has similar attributes to a younger Bale & a current Grealish, pace/flair and WILL go onto bigger things, question is: can we afford to spend 35-40M on a developing player who’ll need time OR the same amount on an already rounded player who’ll most likely hit the ground running.

I can see us going for 2 wingers

 

[pfim]

Like I've seen that Kubo has a release fee or over 50m. I'm not saying we would have to pay that, but doubt you're getting much change out of 40m for him or Fofana.

Fofana got 5 in 29 last season and the season before 3 from 17 and 2 from 25, playing in better teams than Southampton.

With this guy, it's more just the old eye test. When I watched him for Southampton I thought he looked a great young player.

Fofana is hardly a sure thing, he's a year older and has a year's more experience, that's it...I'm not playing Fofana down, it looks like he will have a great career (hopefully, though not likely, with us) but it's not as if we're buying the finished article with Fofana, and taking a U12 player with Dibling.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Counterpoint-even coming in the middle of the season, if we extrapolated the goals scored over an entire Moyes season, we would have been over 50 goals for the first time this decade. And we can put out largely the same starting 11 we did during that time.

It's not always the players.

Form is temporary mate, as is inevitable uplift from nuts and bolts, hard yards, I eat worms' Dyche, (See Mike Jackson!)

Moyes looked demented after his first game and was publicly shouting he doesn't know how he's going to get this team to score goals and for good reason.

He managed it, but then you look through our team - pick their best ever season for every single one and have it replicated this season and it's still not enough goals to have us top half.

The fact if you extrapolate that sample of games, and it's more than we'd have had in a decade says it all.

This team doesn't have the pace or composure in the final third to have us competing and Moyes knows it.

 

[DanB90]

I've wanted us to get him since his breakthrough, and to be honest, I always assumed he'd be on the radar of teams above us. That no one else seems to be in for him could be read as an alarm bell, or just an opportunity we need to take. His ceiling is very high, he's young, and at the very least he'd hold his value, even if he isn't a 'success' in 3/4 years.

The thing is with the “big” teams, they can afford to still buy him if he turns into an £80m player in a few years.
While letting another team get him in the £30mil bracket and iron out the creases first.