Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[Neiler]

I think the crux of how this would work and how it benefits both teams is by having Zeki Çelik come the other way. He's in the last year of his contract, and Everton have a small squad. Çelik is a consolation for Kenny Tete, who I wasn't thrilled about anyway, and it would clear him from Roma's roster to make room for Wesley. The Friedkins kill two birds with one stone without Everton taking a PSR hit, if the deals are structured correctly.

Wouldn't agree with you there. if you do a stake holder analysis the deal benefits Roma, TFG - im struggling to see how it benefits Everton, Everton hold the liability, outlay and risk and Roma get the benefit - while Everton get essentially what you describe as a Kenny Tete consolation for their trouble.

Im sorry i dont care about Roma, i dont particularly care about TFG - i care about Everton and i dont want to take on a 20 mill - 30 mill cost/liability without any benefit directly for that outlay.

Call me old fashioned but it makes far more sense spending that 20-30 mill on Ben Doak and him playing 38 games a season then Roma getting a player with that money and we essentially get their Sibide.

Think many are trying to convince themselves that there is some master stroke here that will massively benefit Everton - i dont see it.

The only way this benefits Everton is if TFG have piles of money will invest in all we need and Roma become our Girona - i dont think that will happen either.

 

[Lanolin]

I am not bothered about loaning Wesley to Roma if we were to sign him. Some posters seem to be forgetting that there could be issues in obtaining a work permit for him, especially considering that he is only 21 and coming from the Brazilian Serie A. Another thing to bear in mind is that a loan move to Roma would offer him the opportunity for him to gain experience in European football before joining us.

Any business we do this summer for a right-back will likely result in a stop-gap signing anyway, so we might as well sign a right-back for the long-term and loan him out if we can't bring him into the side immediately.

It would be quite astonishing if a 21 year old with caps for the most celebrated national team in world football couldn't get a work permit to be honest.

 

[dublinbluenose]

If it's on our books it's our money being used, which means it affects our PSR.

So would a future sale I guess.

 

[Fonzy]

Lot of how chatter around buying Wesley and loaning him.

Lets see if this ACTUALLY happens first. Only one source has claimed it.

Before we start going on about how were playing 2nd fiddle to Roma, using our money to help them etc.

When the whole thing could be nonsense like 99% of the rumours/stories so far this summer

 

[whiteshadow]

It's Friedkin's money being used. Not Everton's.

There seem to be expectations that the new owners will spend money to strengthen Everton's squad this summer. No one knows how much.

PSR should not be a problem. If it is, there are ways to work around it.

We're assuming they have a good plan in place and know what they're doing to work around PSR etc.

I won't just trust in them blindly. Our previous owner was rich and an accountant yet still put us in a precarious position.

All I do know is, if the player is put through our books it will count against our PSR. If, for whatever reason the league blocks us from trying to work around PSR it will effect our spending.

I'll admit it's probably unlikely but Roma should be buying their own players.

 

[whiteshadow]

We are not going to be doing it without an upside or at least a potential upside for Everton. The directors would be failing in their fiduciary responsibilities if they did.

My guess is it will be an upside for Roma, maybe an upside for us? but it's really to help Roma imo.

 

[Raino85]

It's Friedkin's money being used. Not Everton's.

There seem to be expectations that the new owners will spend money to strengthen Everton's squad this summer. No one knows how much.

PSR should not be a problem. If it is, there are ways to work around it.

Well they are about to splash out £35m on a new striker and haven't sold out £90m asset Centre back

 

[Who's_up_for_cumpkins?]

I suspect in light of wider events in football, it might be quiet today in terms of any announcements.

 

[whiteshadow]

So would a future sale I guess.

Yeah. I'm interested to see what happens.

Are we going to end up selling him to Roma if he does well for them and how much for?

The same price or a higher value?

 

[Neiler]

It's Friedkin's money being used. Not Everton's.

There seem to be expectations that the new owners will spend money to strengthen Everton's squad this summer. No one knows how much.

PSR should not be a problem. If it is, there are ways to work around it.

Im sorry - its not Friedkin money, its Everton money.

The cost and liability will be on the Everton profit and loss.

Was it Farhad Moshiri's money when we racked up all the losses that saw us nearly destroyed or was it Everton on the guillotine..

I cant honestly believe people have such short memories.

 

[Mr Happy]

Im sorry - its not Friedkin money, its Everton money.

The cost and liability will be on the Everton profit and loss.

Was it Farhad Moshiri money when we racked up all the losses that saw us nearly destroyed or was it Everton on the guillotine..

I cant honestly believe people have such short memories.

Short what ?

 

[HKContractDave]

Logic behind strange Everton transfer scenario explained - Still doesn't work for Blues - Sport Witness

AS Roma’s idea to involve Everton in a deal for Flamengo defender Wesley is a scheme to avoid problems with UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations. That’s according to Corriere dello Sport, who explain the logic behind the potential deal after reports yesterday. Those claimed that Everton could...

sportwitness.co.uk

Says it'd be an obligation to buy next season and makes little sense to us

 

[caliblue]

Im sorry i dont care about Roma, i dont particularly care about TFG - i care about Everton and i dont want to take on a 20 mill - 30 mill cost/liability 0 without any benefit directly for that outlay.

Call me old fashioned but it makes far more spence spending that 20-30 mill on Ben Doak and him playing 38 games a season then Roma getting a player with that money and we essentially get their Sibide.

Think many are trying to convince themselves that their is some master stroke here that will massively benefit Everton - i dont see it.

Isn't it a matter of instead of TFG transferring X amount of millions to Roma so they can buy Wesley, they make the transfer to Everton?

Any cost or liability for Everton can easily be avoided.

People in here seem to thing that the very English Premier League specific PSR rules apply to the rest of the world. It doesn't. Other clubs and other leagues have other sets of rules and concerns. I am sure there are reasons for why Roma don't buy him themselves. Loans are a much bigger thing in Serie A. Everyone do it and everyone loan players from each other.

Just this season Roma loaned players to Inter, Milan, Fiorentina, Como, Parma, Benfica, Bayer Leverkusen and Sunderland. The previous season they loaned players from Juventus, Leeds x2, Chelsea and PSG.

The Friedkins aren't football people. They are business people. They are investors. They see player trading as bets in the market. Similar to stock transactions. They expect to lose money on many of their signings. All they care about is the bottom line. To make more good signings that bad ones.

And as owners of several football clubs, they also know that when they invest their money in footballers, that will have an affect of the players they already have on their books. They invest in football clubs and football players because they firmly believe that clubs and players will be worth more money in the future that today.

Clear similarities with the ownership at Chelsea. Who has splashed the money and paid silly money for players, but now sit on a lot of attractive players ready to be sold in an inflated market.

 

[caliblue]

Well they are about to splash out £35m on a new striker and haven't sold out £90m asset Centre back

Exactly. And still people are concerned that we can't spend money if we sign a player and send him out on loan.

 

[Neiler]

Isn't it a matter of instead of TFG transferring X amount of millions to Roma so they can buy Wesley, they make the transfer to Everton?

Any cost or liability for Everton can easily be avoided.

People in here seem to thing that the very English Premier League specific PSR rules apply to the rest of the world. It doesn't. Other clubs and other leagues have other sets of rules and concerns. I am sure there are reasons for why Roma don't buy him themselves. Loans are a much bigger thing in Serie A. Everyone do it and everyone loan players from each other.

Just this season Roma loaned players to Inter, Milan, Fiorentina, Como, Parma, Benfica, Bayer Leverkusen and Sunderland. The previous season they loaned players from Juventus, Leeds x2, Chelsea and PSG.

The Friedkins aren't football people. They are business people. They are investors. They see player trading as bets in the market. Similar to stock transactions. They expect to lose money on many of their signings. All they care about is the bottom line. To make more good signings that bad ones.

And as owners of several football clubs, they also know that when they invest their money in footballers, that will have an affect of the players they already have on their books. They invest in football clubs and football players because they firmly believe that clubs and players will be worth more money in the future that today.

Clear similarities with the ownership at Chelsea. Who has splashed the money and paid silly money for players, but now sit on a lot of attractive players ready to be sold in an inflated market.

Sorry mate - i dont know what this means - or what point you are making?

The rest of the post to? Im not sure that answers or rebutes any of my earlier points.